Athletics South Africa leaves out 13 athletes from Worlds with qualifying standard including Dominique Scott

I've heard almost nothing but bad things about SA by South African's living in the US. As has been stated here, it's extremely dangerous to live there, especially for white people. I was told they don't have to stop at red lights at night if they feel unsafe, but instead just slow down a little and then go, which is logical of course. My friends told me they could take me there and it would be safe if we went for a week or so, but they would basically have to point my face in the right direction to not see all the bad stuff going on. The one thing they did say was that the land is beautiful.

Back to athletics. Do we know for sure their federation has the money to send people that have no chance of medaling?

Dominique Scott is a standard in world athletics?

Free of Neck Ties wrote:

I've heard almost nothing but bad things about SA by South African's living in the US. As has been stated here, it's extremely dangerous to live there, especially for white people. I was told they don't have to stop at red lights at night if they feel unsafe, but instead just slow down a little and then go, which is logical of course. My friends told me they could take me there and it would be safe if we went for a week or so, but they would basically have to point my face in the right direction to not see all the bad stuff going on. The one thing they did say was that the land is beautiful.

Back to athletics. Do we know for sure their federation has the money to send people that have no chance of medaling?

Link on the first page says that the IAAF will cover all costs.

The Swimmer wrote:

Athletics South Africa makes Athletics Kenya seem wholesome and pure.

Wholesome and pure.

Ha ha ha ha ha!

afewff wrote:

The issue here is simply because athletes spoke out. Japan does the very same thing and nobody is trying to pressure them, Australia left out 20+ athletes of their teams anybody but did not met their OWN standard (even though they hit IAAF entry qual).

In fact it look s like pretty much every country bar the US set their very own standard, why should they send tourists if they don't want ?

Development. Reward. Incentive. Fairness. Let them raise their own money if their country doesn't want to pay for it. They met the standard and they should get to go. Could be once-in-a-lifetime thing for the athlete. It's about the athletes and not the bureaucrats you know!

Lebensborn wrote:

If Scott did not run for Arkansas none of you would know who she is or care

Correct. What's your point? We know who she is and root for her. What's wrong with that? The same is true for Alexa Efraimson. If she was Kenyan, we wouldn't be paying any attention to her. So what?

If cost is an issue, I could understand. If it's true that IAAF pays for all expenses, then shame on all the countries.

I forgot the front page existed, thanks. The world-famous message board is all I think of when it's comes to Letsrun.

harsh, but true wrote:

Rojo, your website's own re-cap of the Monaco meet said that the American women will be a non-factor at Worlds. Rowbury ran 8:33 at this meet, and Houlihan ran well, too. So the South African athletic federation is probably thinking the same thing: "Yeah, you hit the standard, but so what, it's still not fast enough to matter. We're tired of paying to send athletes who won't matter even when the pace is slow."

The Olympics is not just about winning medals...

"The essential thing is not to have conquered, but to have fought well.". The Olympic Creed. "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph, but the struggle."

afewff wrote:

The issue here is simply because athletes spoke out. Japan does the very same thing and nobody is trying to pressure them, Australia left out 20+ athletes of their teams anybody but did not met their OWN standard (even though they hit IAAF entry qual).

In fact it look s like pretty much every country bar the US set their very own standard, why should they send tourists if they don't want ?

Perhaps you and SA need to read the Olympic creed.

But ... this is not the Olympics

TrackCoach wrote:

Perhaps you and SA need to read the Olympic creed.

Perhaps you need to remember that Pierre de Coubertin said that the inclusion of women in modern Olympic Games would be "impractical, uninteresting, unaesthetic, and incorrect."

afewff wrote:

I mean, do you know that the Bronze medallist in this event at the last Wch in 2015 (Jobodwana 19"87), behind Bolt & Gatlin is not even ranked in top five anymore. Yet he would still be much more threatening that many of those non selected athletes.

The fact that there is a limit to the number of team members per team per event is non-material to this discussion. In the current qualification rules, you don't help a male sprinter by leaving a female sprinter home.

afewff wrote:

BTW, several country have their own standards, if you've been following this sport for quite a long time this is nothing new.

This website rails against national federations not sending full teams every year. If so many federations want tougher standards, they should make the iaaf standards tougher. If anything, iaaf should make it easier for athletes to change federations.

SDF#%%! wrote:

WVN (and others) should tell the federation that he will not go if they don't send the ones who have qualified! That would send a message and be a good moral thing to do (lots of LR readers will not understand)! At least allow them to fund raise and pay their own way.

The federation is being very short-sighted. They need to go for development.

Didn't Zatopek do exactly this back in '48 or '52?

Sounds like he was on to something. Want to hear a joke? Women's sports.

Ben L Wrong wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

Perhaps you and SA need to read the Olympic creed.

Perhaps you need to remember that Pierre de Coubertin said that the inclusion of women in modern Olympic Games would be "impractical, uninteresting, unaesthetic, and incorrect."

Rojo wrote:

And it's not like Scott's not in good form. She just ran a 5 second pb in Monaco in the 3000 of 841. She'd also ran a 5-second pb in the 5000 in Rome of 15:20.

Less athletes however means more money for administrators.

A SA paper wrote:

The unlucky 13 include several Olympians‚ namely Henricho Bruintjies (100m)‚ Rynardt van Rensburg (800m)‚ Wayne Snyman (20km walk)‚ 400m hurdlers Cornel Fredericks and LJ van Zyl‚ 200m srinters Alyssa Conley and Justine Palframan‚ Dominique Scott (5000m) and Anel Oosthuizen (20km race walk).

https://twitter.com/domscottrunSA/status/889084944043081729https://twitter.com/Sunette_Viljoen/status/889105622926594048

More here:

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/sport/2017/07/23/wayde-van-niekerk-and-akani-simbine-hit-out-at-sa-team-selection-for-world-championships

So long as Wanda Nel is going that is all that matters to me mate.😍

Maybe it would be easier to give the country back?

Or maybe just pay reparations?

A trillion seems fair.

Return all the diamonds?

HRH wrote:

A. Frican wrote:

Seems like they've decided to not send any white athletes...

Who’d be a white person living in South Africa these days?

One of my neighbours is South African and she goes to visit her relatives once a year.

She tells me the white folk live in fear of robbery, attack or worse.

They have to live with armed security, razor wire round the walls, alarms, bars on all their windows, internal strong rooms, even the bedrooms have to have strong metal doors.

And that’s in one of the relatively ‘peaceful’ areas.

South Africa is collapsing, just look at their currency. Mugabe has clones everywhere in Africa.

It is irrelevant, all the athletes complaining here took part to the OG last year. They were warned that the standard would be thougher for this Wch.

TrackCoach wrote:

afewff wrote:

The issue here is simply because athletes spoke out. Japan does the very same thing and nobody is trying to pressure them, Australia left out 20+ athletes of their teams anybody but did not met their OWN standard (even though they hit IAAF entry qual).

In fact it look s like pretty much every country bar the US set their very own standard, why should they send tourists if they don't want ?

Perhaps you and SA need to read the Olympic creed.

asdfdsfd wrote:

Development. Reward. Incentive. Fairness. Let them raise their own money if their country doesn't want to pay for it. They met the standard and they should get to go. Could be once-in-a-lifetime thing for the athlete. It's about the athletes and not the bureaucrats you know!

And this is where you fail, pretty much all these athtletes have olympic or World champs participation, they are not young, some of them are in their 30s.

They already had (several) once in a lifetime opportunity.