60 yr old doper nailed

splitter of hairs if I had any wrote:

Cush I'm going to correct you on one point. You said that you and Pete competed at Nationals in Sacto where you could have been drug tested. Not true. The Sacto national meet was in 2010. Testing at masters national meets didn't start until summer 2011. The world masters championships have drug tested for years and there was drug testing at Sacto in 2011 but it was at the world meet, not the national meet the prior year.

What's the gig with the testing at these national meets? Do they just test the winner of each age-group, or the top 3 finishers? Any OOC testing, or just strictly IC? What's at stake here that's requiring such high-level anti-doping testing? (e.g., the expensive CIR isotope test used on the lone-wolf racewalker). Is there big-time prize money or just a trophies/medals & recognition at stake here?

Just curious, as I'm not in anyway, shape or form near, or ever would be near, the caliber of athlete that you dudes are. I'm just some old "slow stiff" that occasionally competes in races where the age-group winners get a cheap ribbon, maybe on occasion a gift certificate for 10% off running shoes and a handshake from the race director. Lol.

Just an olde guy wrote:

I am closer to 100 than I am to 0, and this story has convinced me to now "dope."

Because, like many of you I presume, I feel like crap all the time, thanks to this way I've decided to live. Certainly I'm better off than if sedentary, but still I hurt. If 'supplements' wind back the clock a bit, then I'm all in. I don't compete much any more, but welcome the test. I, too, often am the only one in my age group.

I just ordered something or other on ebay. $50 to feel younger, cool!

Mate, those $50 blow up dolls off ebay don't make you feel younger, trust me, I've tried them, better off spending a bit more and paying for real thing.

DHEA is a dietary supplement sold OTC that has proven health benefits for older individuals.

Bunch of insecure jerks here but I'm way cooler than the socal boys combined!

See you in the 50+ thread, fists a flyin!

TrackCoach wrote:

The point I am making is simply don't let your competitive juices overcome your sense of fairness.

That doesn't apply to the professionals, so why would it be any different in the world of the masters & grandmasters? A lot of these fast masters/GM aren't doing it for health & fitness, but strictly for the competition. It's become a full-time endeavor for many with year-round race schedules, travel prep, specialized nutritional programs, message therapist, and the like. Many take the competition of racing VERY serious; training & living like a pro, so why wouldn't some utilize PEDs just like the big-time pros?

Old Slow Stiff wrote:

What's the gig with the testing at these national meets? Do they just test the winner of each age-group, or the top 3 finishers? Any OOC testing, or just strictly IC? What's at stake here that's requiring such high-level anti-doping testing? (e.g., the expensive CIR isotope test used on the lone-wolf racewalker). Is there big-time prize money or just a trophies/medals & recognition at stake here?

Just curious, as I'm not in anyway, shape or form near, or ever would be near, the caliber of athlete that you dudes are. I'm just some old "slow stiff" that occasionally competes in races where the age-group winners get a cheap ribbon, maybe on occasion a gift certificate for 10% off running shoes and a handshake from the race director. Lol.

i'm not sure how the testing is conducted at national or world master meets. so far, at every national meet i've competed at where the possibility of testing has existed, it hasn't been done that i know of, at least with masters athletes--though like i mentioned, it seems like some were tested at boulder--maybe salberg who won the masters race. at a youth national junior olympic x-c meet back in 2012, they actually tested the male and female winners of the age 17-18 races. the info provided under "athlete info" does not specify winners only (it simply states that participants may be tested), but in my limited experience at national meets as an open runner in the 90s, they tested a bunch of the finalists in what i think were most events--but i think they did the same at the trials last year in eugene...

TrackCoach wrote:

I am all for looking good and feeling good and have absolutely no problem master's athletes taking supplements and/or drugs for medical -or anti aging reasons. And, I have no problems if these enhanced individuals workout and even run races, but don't accept prizes, when you know you are chemically enhanced. When you know for a fact that if got off the pill, you would get slower. How fair is that to the guys out there doing it naturally. Master's athletes like to kid themselves into thinking that it's ok to dope (yes dope) because there are not Olympics or World Championships on the line, but doping is doping and events and age have nothing to do with it.

Here's an interesting article about a Senior sprinter caught last year for using "T." In fact, look at his Nationals race photo, the guy could easily pass for 52 instead of 62. And 12.76 - pretty damn good for a 62 yr old (good for only 3rd place in the Nationals though!). TRT could be the fountain of youth for high responders...who could have imagined.

I guess I don't expect someone so partisan (such as yourself) to think them valid. I believe I successfully countered your original objections with my post. No need for a counter-counter. The guy fails all six ( includes my one contribution-and which seems to be supported by splitter of hairs) conditions. Now he has YOU for a misdirect. Thank you.

ReaIist wrote:

If you are thinking of taking testosterone, HGH or EPO, you need to imbibe some beer or cannabis until the urge goes away. Or maybe go dancing with your much younger girlfriend. Or just hike up a quiet mountain trail. Do all of the above and you will live a much better life indeed.

Instead of HGH do Sermorelin or other such peptides. Take only milder testosterone shots like Aveed. Don't go too far with the EPO.

You'll be fine and feel younger.

dietss wrote:

ReaIist wrote:

If you are thinking of taking testosterone, HGH or EPO, you need to imbibe some beer or cannabis until the urge goes away. Or maybe go dancing with your much younger girlfriend. Or just hike up a quiet mountain trail. Do all of the above and you will live a much better life indeed.

Instead of HGH do Sermorelin or other such peptides. Take only milder testosterone shots like Aveed. Don't go too far with the EPO.

You'll be fine and feel younger.

Cannabis is more harmful than these drugs.

dietss wrote:

Cannabis is more harmful than these drugs.

AND also beer is.

dietss wrote:

Instead of HGH do Sermorelin or other such peptides. Take only milder testosterone shots like Aveed. Don't go too far with the EPO.

You'll be fine and feel younger.

What an obfuscating troll you are! On the diet thread you're tell older runners to eat healthy, reduce heart disease risk & basically encouraging nutrition over use of PEDs. Then you post over here encouraging the use of and advising people what type of PEDs to use? 😁 What kind of nonsense is that - advising people on the methodolgy of PEDs as if you're an M.D. or something. Plain ridiculous!

Crusty Old Runner wrote:

dietss wrote:

Instead of HGH do Sermorelin or other such peptides. Take only milder testosterone shots like Aveed. Don't go too far with the EPO.

You'll be fine and feel younger.

What an obfuscating troll you are! On the diet thread you're tell older runners to eat healthy, reduce heart disease risk & basically encouraging nutrition over use of PEDs. Then you post over here encouraging the use of and advising people what type of PEDs to use? 😁 What kind of nonsense is that - advising people on the methodolgy of PEDs as if you're an M.D. or something. Plain ridiculous!

I admit my posts on this thread are not so serious. :D BUT I am thinking about possibly using some PEDs as I get older. What I will definitely not be doing is hardcore doping, but milder anti-aging stuff instead MAYBE.

I am not encouraging anything over something. The health stuff I am already doing and will continue to do.

dietss wrote:

Crusty Old Runner wrote:

What an obfuscating troll you are! On the diet thread you're tell older runners to eat healthy, reduce heart disease risk & basically encouraging nutrition over use of PEDs. Then you post over here encouraging the use of and advising people what type of PEDs to use? 😁 What kind of nonsense is that - advising people on the methodolgy of PEDs as if you're an M.D. or something. Plain ridiculous!

I admit my posts on this thread are not so serious. :D BUT I am thinking about possibly using some PEDs as I get older. What I will definitely not be doing is hardcore doping, but milder anti-aging stuff instead MAYBE.

I am not encouraging anything over something. The health stuff I am already doing and will continue to do.

Performance-enhancing deadlifts work.

Ultradude wrote:

A 60 yr old race walker was nailed by USADA for steroids. How is this not on the front page? Can't wait for this guy's excuse. Tainted beef? Swapping bodily fluids? What will it be?

https://www.usada.org/scott-mcpherson-receives-doping-sanction/

An update from masterstrack.com on the McPherson case. Even more ridiculous than one could have imagined. Go to comment #19 from Ken Stone, the site's webmaster:

Suspicious of Sr. Racewalkers wrote:

Ultradude wrote:

A 60 yr old race walker was nailed by USADA for steroids. How is this not on the front page? Can't wait for this guy's excuse. Tainted beef? Swapping bodily fluids? What will it be?

https://www.usada.org/scott-mcpherson-receives-doping-sanction/

An update from masterstrack.com on the McPherson case. Even more ridiculous than one could have imagined. Go to comment #19 from Ken Stone, the site's webmaster:

http://masterstrack.com/m60-walker-scott-mcpherson-handed-4-year-doping-suspension/

Interesting, but I thought that comment #16 was just as revealing. This is probably a stuff up.

A bit more on the subject:

http://masterstrack.com/m60-scott-mcpherson-usada-4-year-doping-sanction-im-done/

I feel sorry for the chap. A senior with bad knees who wants to take up racewalking and gets a 4-yr whack for inadvertently using a steriod cream. Deplorable decision making by USADA.

OTOH, there's that American steeplechaser listed from the hacked WADA files as a 5-star - highest priority - "likely doping" classification and no action taken! And didn’t he just make a mockery out of the other competitors in the Monaco race where he smoked the Kenyans and ran .86 seconds within his PB! (you would think being listed as a 5-star high-priority "likely doping" status that a passport case would have been opened by now?).

Priorities all wrong here.

Pick-on the older amateurs who are doing this for health benefits & personal enjoyment. But let the high-profile, highly-sponsored super elites skate!

Now that's the ticket for anti-doping!

Comment #19 is a beauty:

"suspects it was the “goop” that he spread into his arm"

WTF is goop? I know toothpaste can be suspect, but goop?

"19. Ken Stone - July 26, 2017

At 9:30 a.m. Wednesday, I got a return call from Dr. McPherson in Lubbock, who confirmed he was the USADA target. I’ll have a full report soon, but he tells me:

1. He’s 5-4, 110 pounds “soaking wet” and a back-of-the-pack walker who has never taken a PED.

2. He’s been competing as a masters walker for only a year.

3. He’s not sure how the steroid got into his system, but he suspects it was the “goop” that he spread into his arm after leaning back in the ABQ stands the morning before his walk. He figured it was something worth using.

4. He chose not to fight the USADA sanction because he didn’t want the expense of a lawyer.

5. He has no idea why he was chosen for testing, but he said he saw chaos in the testing area where 7 or 8 other athletes also were giving urine samples.

6. He says he and his wife are deacons in a Lubbock church and when friends hear of his USADA case they just shake their heads and say, “Give me a break!”

My strong feeling: This is yet another example of a one-size-fits-all policing system that snares more innocents than guilty parties."

http://masterstrack.com/m60-walker-scott-mcpherson-handed-4-year-doping-suspension/