Official 2017 Rabat DL Discussion Thread - BMart vs. Rowbury + Caster at 400

rojo wrote:

I thought EPO had been banned

There's no evidence that it helps.

wejo wrote:

3000 was exciting with the crowd into it but the highlight was the false start and rabbit running 150m without stopping. Shows how bad most rabbits are, not having any clue where the field is.

Well, what is the job of the rabbit? Isn't he supposed to run a predetermined pace no matter what? Not like the rabbit should slow down if no one goes with him (assuming he is running the correct pace).

We will look back in a short period of time and shake our heads at the whole Semenya folderol.

An embarrassment for our sport.

I think semenya was sandbagging, i mean hasnt she run faster splits in the 800? Anyway, her oversized manly frame against all the petite women made her look like shot putter that decides to run

Naglfar wrote:

Caster ran splits of 25.3/26.2 - she was definitely sandbagging that race

At least by accident. Probably not a good starter considering her 800 race tactics.

However a 51.5 open 400 should be worth 51.5 x 2.20 = 1:53.3 in the 800, so it's not exactly convincing that Semenya can't break the WR. Kratochvilova was much faster over 400 but she knew how to sprint.

Very suspect steeple. Was Kipruto trying at all? Home town victory.

Doesn't matter wrote:

There's no evidence that it helps.

How do you explain the fact that since the EPO test was deployed ~1998, almost no men's middle-distance records have been broken?

A natural experiment wrote:

Doesn't matter wrote:

There's no evidence that it helps.

How do you explain the fact that since the EPO test was deployed ~1998, almost no men's middle-distance records have been broken?

Except the 800m, very nearly the 1500m, the steeplechase, the 10 000m, the half marathon and the marathon.

... and the 5000m.

But you're right, the 1500m and the 3000m records were set back before the year 2000.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Naglfar wrote:

Caster ran splits of 25.3/26.2 - she was definitely sandbagging that race

At least by accident. Probably not a good starter considering her 800 race tactics.

However a 51.5 open 400 should be worth 51.5 x 2.20 = 1:53.3 in the 800, so it's not exactly convincing that Semenya can't break the WR. Kratochvilova was much faster over 400 but she knew how to sprint.

That's not a reliable formula, especially for women.

wejo wrote:

zxcvzxcvzx wrote:

Rowbury at 4:04 is not bad but for her, she is usually in sub 4 shape now. Is Rabat at some altitude? What is wrong with Rowbury is probably that she has not been doing the usually 1500m speedwork, because she's been planning to turn to the 5000m, and you can't do both at the same time if you are not keeping in touch with your speed as much. Nice result for Martinez, a pr, and remember that 1) that 3x400m, 1x300m workout probably killed her legs for weeks, and 2) it had little or nothing to do with running the 1500m. Wait and see what kind of 800m she runs if she's at Monaco.

Rowbury didn't run under 4:04 until after the Olympics last year, but in 2016. she did run 3:56.29 on July 17th to set the American record.

Or maybe she's off the juice since her coach and team are being investigated. Rowbury never went under 4:00 until she joined Salazar and the NOP, and now she back to running what she is capable of running off the juice.

Land Stalker wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

At least by accident. Probably not a good starter considering her 800 race tactics.

However a 51.5 open 400 should be worth 51.5 x 2.20 = 1:53.3 in the 800, so it's not exactly convincing that Semenya can't break the WR. Kratochvilova was much faster over 400 but she knew how to sprint.

That's not a reliable formula, especially for women.

It is an average, not meant as a "reliable formula" to produce supposed equivalents. The point stands that running a 51.5 open 400 is hardly a reason to think someone can't run 1:53. More like 50/50.