Evan Jager responds!

But WeJo, is it really Russia or a whistle-blower concerned about the cover ups? As I have said that on the other thread, it seems that only the leaks the Washington Post releases (that CNN quotes) have been refuted of recent.

I get why we suspect all the elites.

But if Henry Marsh could run 8:09, and Dan Lincoln ran 8:08, and Jager is more naturally talented (see his times from an early age), why could he not run 8 flat in the best race of his life as a clean athlete? I think he could.

I was drug tested two or three times in my life out of competition and I don't think I wrote it in my training journal. Maybe I should have. People are different. But why would I need to write it down especially now where it's all in an online database? Anyone know how many times Jager was drug tested in 2016? Probably 5 to 20 times? Sure some people may write it down but he also could just look it up online.

I'll grant you with today's technology Jager has a good likelihood of determining if he was tested that day. He doesn't seem to think he was but leaves some room for error. Maybe he keeps records, but it's not on there so he's confused of how he's on that date.

So is your logic a) he knows 100% certain he wasn't tested but is leaving open the possibility he was? How does that help him?

b) He knows he was tested, but will pretend he wasn't so when they show he was tested, he looks like a liar?

I don't see how a) or b) help him. So I'll go with c) he's confused as to what's going on.

I was talking to a guy I know today in the sport before Jager's statement came out. I said I'd be curious what Jager's response was. He agreed. I said if he was super aggressive and what not I'd be really suspicious. If he tried to focus on one thing I'd be suspicious. Guy must have just read Jager's statement.

He texted me, "Whether or not Jager is doping, his statement is the best statement I’ve ever seen in this situation."

"It’s basically what you said today."

I then just wrote back "what did I say?", not totally getting what he was getting at.

Goes on to say, "that if he was guilty he’d be very aggressive in his denial and make claims that clearly can’t be proven wrong (e.g., “I have never failed a drug test.”)"

"But his seemed very genuine and as if he truly was surprised to see his name on that list. And it was written in a way that sounded like him, not his agent or someone else. "

Obviously the statement in of itself doesn't mean anything as anyone could be doping and my friend acknowledged that ("Whether or not Jager is doping"). But he said he found the statement believable.

It's why we need a stringent doping system we can trust in.

HardLoper wrote:

No if you're tested 10-20 times a year, it's not a significant moment at all. You don't remember exact times and dates of each test. You also probably don't write it in a training journal IF you even have one, since it has nothing to do with training.

Agreed, but why even bring up that you have no record of the test? It seems like an insignificant detail in the scope of things.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

But WeJo, is it really Russia or a whistle-blower concerned about the cover ups? As I have said that on the other thread, it seems that only the leaks the Washington Post releases (that CNN quotes) have been refuted of recent.

Can you email me the thread or what you're talking about?

Nova runner wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

No if you're tested 10-20 times a year, it's not a significant moment at all. You don't remember exact times and dates of each test. You also probably don't write it in a training journal IF you even have one, since it has nothing to do with training.

Agreed, but why even bring up that you have no record of the test? It seems like an insignificant detail in the scope of things.

The original argument was that he would have put it in his running log, not that he'd have no record. Jager is saying that he has records of other drug tests (not necessarily in a running log, but just some sort of record), but not this one. He leaves some room for error in case he made a mistake.

Nova runner wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

No if you're tested 10-20 times a year, it's not a significant moment at all. You don't remember exact times and dates of each test. You also probably don't write it in a training journal IF you even have one, since it has nothing to do with training.

Agreed, but why even bring up that you have no record of the test? It seems like an insignificant detail in the scope of things.

I think it is this:

Because he really wanted to say "I wasn't even tested at that time", but he wants to tell the whole truth and he is not 100% certain, and he did not want to wait to verify this before responding. So he admitted his lack of certainty.

lol. Hardloper thinking he knows exactly what an elite would do.

wejo wrote:

But why would I need to write it down especially now where it's all in an online database? Anyone know how many times Jager was drug tested in 2016? Probably 5 to 20 times? Sure some people may write it down but he also could just look it up online.

Well, if it's as easy as checking online for the test dates, why didn't he just do that instead of "searching through his records"?

wejo wrote:

Failed to answer the question wrote:

"I have never taken any banned substance "

Did you ever use a banned method, like blood doping to trigger ABP?

It is interesting how we all wordsmith these things.

If he were consistent in terminology, we wouldn't quibble...

and cannot find any notification of having taken a drug test on that day. I also was not contacted by USADA/WADA/IAAF regarding an abnormal blood panel test result.

I'm not sure what a "blood panel" test is, but he never denied taking such a test on Feb 9, only a "drug" test.

I like his statement. Sure, if he's dirty he could have said the same exact things, but it reads as an honest and concerned statement by someone truly trying to clear his name. And if he's clean, which I think he is, I feel great empathy for the quandary Jager is in right now. This is serious stuff—or at least it will be taken seriously—and he needs to indicate as best he can his innocence.

Now, why do I believe he's clean? For one, unlike Rupp and others, there has never been an on-going suspicion about Jager ( which isn't to say I believe Rupp is doping, either, but Magness' complaints, the ProPublica piece, and much else do cast powerful doubts).

Truth is, we cannot for a fact that any athlete is or is not doping, unless verifiable evidence comes forth that indicates he is doping. Sadly, we cannot have fully certain evidence he is NOT. The technology is there to slide a lot under the radar, so we have to remember speculation will only take us so far and in the end proves nothing. I feel bad for Jager, because what this all means for him is he can never 100% prove his innocence, either, and in the end for him, the court of public opinion of his fans will be what counts most.

intheknowoff wrote:

I'm very confident Jager is micro-dosing like most T&F stars at the top of their event. It is illogical to assume Evan is clean, considering the athletes he has taken down.

They are micro-dosing because they don't think it is illegal. Best to call this micro-cheating. It doesn't matter if they are cleared by a test. They are trying to get an edge to win money, medals, and fame.

Needs to be cross-examined wrote:

I'm not sure what a "blood panel" test is, but he never denied taking such a test on Feb 9, only a "drug" test.

Do you not agree that you failed to deny that the decline in negative splits doesn't have a lack of non-inculpatory implication?

Of course any athlete of any performance level could be doping and a lot more of the top athletes are doping than the bottom. But this is a guy who is a stud, having run 13:20 at 20 years old. Lance Armstrong we may have wanted to be clean but in those interviews he doesn't look trustworthy at all. Jager looks and acts the part of the clean athlete. Rupp doesn't in any way. Farah's associations with Salazar and Aden and his perfect record in championship races from 2011 5000m to the present scream doping. The exposes have always included false and true material. I believe Jager.

HardLoper wrote:

No, if you're tested 10-20 times a year, it's not a significant moment at all. You don't remember exact times and dates of each test. You also probably don't write it in a training journal IF you even have one, since it has nothing to do with training.

Disagree. Counter-surveillance against the (anti)doping overlords is one of the necessaries for the modern-day athlete.

What about the possibility that Evan usually does write these things down or in some way keep a record of when he's been tested, but maybe isn't the best organizationally, or maybe just isn't that perfect about writing things down.

He went into his files, or his journal, or wherever he would keep this information and did not find record of a test on that day.

So Evan makes his statement and says, I couldn't find a record of taking a test on this day. I can't say 100% that I didn't take a test on this day because I have been tested many times and am just not organized enough to rule out that I misplaced the file or didn't write anything down on this particular date, but I am going to look into it as best I can.

No one wants to admit when their affairs are in disarray, but here's a dude who's been a professional athlete his entire adult life. He has people to help him with these things if he's not good at them, but we are a low money sport and in many cases, the people helping aren't that good.

I don't know if that's what's going on here, but I can see that as a possibility.

lance was already world champion by 93

wejo wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

But WeJo, is it really Russia or a whistle-blower concerned about the cover ups? As I have said that on the other thread, it seems that only the leaks the Washington Post releases (that CNN quotes) have been refuted of recent.

Can you email me the thread or what you're talking about?

Well nobody refuted the wikileaks/Podesta emails, I flicked on CNN back in February and they were claiming Trump hung up on Turnbull. Live on the radio Turnbull said this didn't happen, WashPo/CNN claimed their leaked documents showed Comey investigating Trump personally which even Comey refuted. The Fancy Bears TUEs leaks have not been refuted. Snowden/Manning files/leaks were not refuted. The DNC Donna Brasile emails, not refuted. The Comey leaks to the NY times were not refuted. The L-carnitine/Brown/USADA/Salazar leaks not refuted. The Prince/Blackwater Maldives Russian back channel story (WashPo) was refuted as was the Anthony Scaramucci story (CNN). The Sunday Times blood values sent to Hajo Seppelt were not refuted (and they were an inside job). So it is highly likely this email hack is true. It is likely that Russian cheaters were piled into a separate file. Though people are right to ask questions about this, but it is all in the Maclaren Report anyhow.

He didnt the 1st link doesnt work