Twisting the words, Thank you.
Twisting the words, Thank you.
Jesus, all this over Tennessee high school distance running? Are the parents duped into thinking full college scholarships are going to be forthcoming, like all those expensive baseball, swimming, tennis, volleyball clubs and private coaching services? There's no way a fractional scholarship is going to cover what they are shelling out.
Truth tn,
You obviously didn't read the the document, or you are trying to sway others to just go along with your agenda filled view. You seem to have an ax to grind. Personal.
Not personal. Just want the playing field to be level. I believe you are the one with a personal view judging from the novels you are posting filled with names of participants.
Why do you want the playing field level?
Now that is something to discuss starting on another thread. Maybe sports at the High schools should be intramural. Or do away with it completely. Only have clubs.
Yes I do take it personal as I see more and more parents being overbearing and aggressive with coaches and teachers. I've heard parents harassing school admin and teachers to change grades because a "B" wouldn't look good on hs transcripts when their kid applies to colleges.
The language you are using against this coach seems very harsh. It appears personal. Pointing it out.
There are more people in support of this coach vs those that are not. The disgruntled one , maybe it is you , keeps spreading inaccurate information, stirs up media attention when the issue had already been dealt with by the school superintendent and won't let it go. The individuals involved had been disciplined.
Looks like a witch hunt.
Truth tn wrote:
Some great points here. You admitted guy avery was a school volunteer coach, charged a fee to parents, and controlled the roster like certain races like the DMR. Very unethical and uncompliant. I think you have cleared things up a lot. Thank you!
Read the posted Response Letter. It explains that there wasn't non compliance or anything unethical. Specifically number 4.
I call BS wrote:
There are more people in support of this coach vs those that are not. .
I imagine it depends on who you ask. Many people around the state--athletes, coaches, parents, admins, TSSAA--have been aware of this issue for years. The vast majority have been opposed, except, it seems, for TSSAA. I don't think you'll get much sympathy state-wide.
No TSSAA rules were violated. Read the posted letter above.
Western KY Guy wrote:
I call BS wrote:There are more people in support of this coach vs those that are not. .
I imagine it depends on who you ask. Many people around the state--athletes, coaches, parents, admins, TSSAA--have been aware of this issue for years. The vast majority have been opposed, except, it seems, for TSSAA. I don't think you'll get much sympathy state-wide.
I have a belief that every successful leader, no matter how widely loved and admired s/he is, will create their own horde of enemies along the way, even amongst those close to him/her, which is something that comes with having strong beliefs and a strong drive to execute.
To quote Winston Churchill “You have enemies? Good. That means that you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.â€
So from the reading it seems - there is a school practice and then kids who pay stay after a complete either more or different workouts than what was assigned at practice. That seems fine if a kid is going to a private coach (not their school coach) but weird if it's almost a continuation of school practice. And if seems of you want to work with the fastest kids on the team to make yourself better - you pretty much have to join this club. I'm assuming all off season summer practices are no captain led ext but are done at the club (paid to go to) by the top kids. So if you want to run with your teammates your parents pretty much have to pay. That is not a good dynamic for a hs team. It's ok if a few kids go to a real private coach, but it being their school coach it really is a poor dynamic.
Haven't researched - does this guy develop kids who run faster in college or does he maximize potential by doing too much too soon at the hs level?
Hsbbsi wrote:
Haven't researched - does this guy develop kids who run faster in college or does he maximize potential by doing too much too soon at the hs level?
Most of the time, slower or leave the sport.
Do your research, bro wrote:
Hsbbsi wrote:Haven't researched - does this guy develop kids who run faster in college or does he maximize potential by doing too much too soon at the hs level?
Most of the time, slower or leave the sport.
Not true. But usually the case with top
HS runners in general.
In this case, he is "a real" private coach" with his own running club. Only the past two xc seasons the school pressed him to be a volunteer coach. BHS does not have a winter track program. The runners from BHS would train with the private coach and his own club team that had no affiliation with the school.
1. Results are not the question, you can't be the volunteer coach, and charge people.
2. Unlimited coaching access? The article states he checked in once a week for thirty minutes, so which is is?
3. Totally on the school. We'd all do this if we could, so why hate the player, hate the game!!!
Brave New World wrote:
1. Results are not the question, you can't be the volunteer coach, and charge people.
He didn't accept payments during the seasons he was a volunteer coach. Which was only for two XC seasons and one track season I believe.
2. Unlimited coaching access? The article states he checked in once a week for thirty minutes, so which is is?
In his own private coaching business, he is always available to an athlete. Not like the typical hs coach which is only available during practice and meets.
3. Totally on the school. We'd all do this if we could, so why hate the player, hate the game!!!
Totally on the school. There weren't any TSSAA rules violated. And the school did not communicate all the additional rules that they had to the volunteer coaches it seems.
Whenever a parent complained and it if it was addressed with the coaches, the situation had been resolved and abided by this coach.
The school investigation is a farce.
Please read the Response Letter and the Amendment letter posted above (in its entirety) in the threads for the answers to your questions.
Or just continue to place judgement without all the facts or having a clear understanding of the situation.
Enough said.
Brave New World wrote:
1. Results are not the question, you can't be the volunteer coach, and charge people.
2. Unlimited coaching access? The article states he checked in once a week for thirty minutes, so which is is?
3. Totally on the school. We'd all do this if we could, so why hate the player, hate the game!!!
It doesn't matter if you're the volunteer coach or a paid head coach, you still can't make kids pay. That's where the real problem lies. Schools do not fund the athletic programs anymore, but they also tell coaches they can only accept donations from the kids. Payment can not be mandatory. This is, of course, ridiculous.
He is a private coach. He coaches athletes that attend several different schools. He did not accept payments from kids/parents from BHS (where he volunteered) during the seasons he was volunteering. He did not demand payment.
Bottom Rung wrote:
Brave New World wrote:1. Results are not the question, you can't be the volunteer coach, and charge people.
2. Unlimited coaching access? The article states he checked in once a week for thirty minutes, so which is is?
3. Totally on the school. We'd all do this if we could, so why hate the player, hate the game!!!
It doesn't matter if you're the volunteer coach or a paid head coach, you still can't make kids pay. That's where the real problem lies. Schools do not fund the athletic programs anymore, but they also tell coaches they can only accept donations from the kids. Payment can not be mandatory. This is, of course, ridiculous.
This is a blatant lie. Guy Avery charged 11 months of the year, as he stated in his tennessean interview regarding annual contracts. The first thing the county did was confirm the "pay" in the "pay to play" accusation. Parents submitted cancelled checks and emails to confirm this fact. Do you think a county with staff attorneys and a three month investigation would ban a coach without undeniable proof that he charged parents? Of course not. Use your instinct on this one.
I think he made enemies because of the sense that the Brentwood program was cheating, not because of some strong set of core beliefs and principles.
What they were doing is not the same thing that sanctioned high school programs are doing. They were a paying club, not a school team. School teams are coached by coaches paid by the school system.
What he does is fine on the club circuit, but it doesn’t belong in high school sports. Brentwood wanted to have it both ways. I don’t blame parents and kids at all, because why wouldn’t you do the best you could for your kids? I blame the principal and AD/head track coach.
Western KY Guy wrote:
I think he made enemies because of the sense that the Brentwood program was cheating, not because of some strong set of core beliefs and principles.
What they were doing is not the same thing that sanctioned high school programs are doing. They were a paying club, not a school team. School teams are coached by coaches paid by the school system.
What he does is fine on the club circuit, but it doesn’t belong in high school sports. Brentwood wanted to have it both ways. I don’t blame parents and kids at all, because why wouldn’t you do the best you could for your kids? I blame the principal and AD/head track coach.
The guy is also an ego maniac and very vindictive. He's friendly if you agree with him but is the other extreme if you do not.