Dr. Brown notified of doping charges - Is Alberto Salazar next?

What am I missing wrote:

Ostrich wrote:

Wrong. The comment is about the disproportion number of hormone users at NOP.

I must be missing something, because I don't understand what it means talk about disproportionate use of an allowed substance under the doping rules.

Please identify where "thyroid meds" are specifically allowed by WADA.

HINT: They are not listed at all.

Have a nice day.

say NO to NOP wrote:

Is this what AlSal tells his athletes to convince them it is OK to cheat?

Now I'm lost. How is it cheating to follow the rules?

Maybe you should take a deep breath and read the WADA Code. I'm pretty sure you'll find out that it does not say what you think it says.

Ostrich wrote:

Please identify where "thyroid meds" are specifically allowed by WADA.

HINT: They are not listed at all.

Do you understand how the WADA Code works? There is a Prohibited List that lists all prohibited substances and methods. Everything that is not on that list is allowed. So the fact that thyroid meds are not mentioned means they are allowed.

The headline from this WSJ article pretty much says it all:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Dr. Brown did treat Carl Lewis.

Apparently, he also treated Leroy Burrell in Houston.

No wonder why his son (another Cougar) is running 9.93 in the NCAA semis.

Otherwise,

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. The answer you quoted simply restates 4.3 of the WADA Code, which I cited. In other words, you are just repeating what I said, with a bit more detail.

Again: What am I missing?

What am I missing wrote:

Ostrich wrote:

Please identify where "thyroid meds" are specifically allowed by WADA.

HINT: They are not listed at all.

Do you understand how the WADA Code works? There is a Prohibited List that lists all prohibited substances and methods. Everything that is not on that list is allowed. So the fact that thyroid meds are not mentioned means they are allowed.

The headline from this WSJ article pretty much says it all:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-rebuff-to-usada-wada-declines-to-ban-thyroid-medication-1443568862

0/10.

You could not find where WADA specifically allows "thyroid meds".

Ostrich wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

it doesn't change the fact that it is legal.

Have a nice day.

You are not a legal expert. Have a nice day.

Mr. Obvious is right. It's non-sanctionable. Also worth reminding everyone that sport arbitration is not a judicial matter. The IOC is adamant about that to keep the corruption going.

Lots of things acquired under TUE can be used as PEDs. ADHD meds are a very popular choice. INTENSE workouts and appetite suppressant all-in-one are awesome.

Ostrich wrote:

What am I missing wrote:

Do you understand how the WADA Code works? There is a Prohibited List that lists all prohibited substances and methods. Everything that is not on that list is allowed. So the fact that thyroid meds are not mentioned means they are allowed.

The headline from this WSJ article pretty much says it all:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-rebuff-to-usada-wada-declines-to-ban-thyroid-medication-1443568862

0/10.

You could not find where WADA specifically allows "thyroid meds".

Where does the WADA code specifically allow me to drink water?

What am I missing wrote:

Otherwise,

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. The answer you quoted simply restates 4.3 of the WADA Code, which I cited. In other words, you are just repeating what I said, with a bit more detail.

Again: What am I missing?

What you are missing is that two of three criteria are sufficient to ban an athlete. Actual test results are not necessary.

The reason it works this way is to prevent athletes and support personnel (coaches, doctors, etc.) from taking advantage of rules not yet written or specifically described in the code. Think of it as closing the gray-zone door. An athlete cannot simple use a new wonder-drug no one knows about and plead innocence: "It's not in the prohibited list; I can use it!"; this doesn't fly.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Ostrich wrote:

You are not a legal expert. Have a nice day.

Mr. Obvious is right. It's non-sanctionable. Also worth reminding everyone that sport arbitration is not a judicial matter. The IOC is adamant about that to keep the corruption going.

Lots of things acquired under TUE can be used as PEDs. ADHD meds are a very popular choice. INTENSE workouts and appetite suppressant all-in-one are awesome.

You are all missing the two out of three part of the code. Mr Obvious and you are WRONG.

Too bad this was a 70min infusion that included multiple squeezes of the bag to help push more through. Why would they have a clamp on the IV to restrict flow and then squeeze the bag to push more through? Remember they wanted to do a longer IV infusion originally and they compromised on the 70min one.

There is no way around this. They broke the rules and all of them took in more than 50ml.

What am I missing wrote:

Ostrich wrote:

Please identify where "thyroid meds" are specifically allowed by WADA.

HINT: They are not listed at all.

Do you understand how the WADA Code works? There is a Prohibited List that lists all prohibited substances and methods. Everything that is not on that list is allowed. So the fact that thyroid meds are not mentioned means they are allowed.

Alberto,

I know you want to make it seem like running a doping program by performing random experiments on humans as you see fit, but you clearly don't know of what to claim to know.

WADA only makes a standard. What is/isn't permitted is written and enforced by the sports federation.

What the sport permits must meet or exceed WADA standards, that's all. For example, I think Tennis still permits IV infusions, while the IAAF does not.

None of this means the sport will actually enforce their own anti-doping rules, as shown by the total silence on the issue by the IAAF and USATF. So, running experiments on humans is all good. Just do it to IAAF athletes.

Salazar thinks if it is not on the prohibited list he can use it, or has a usage limit, that he can have his athletes use as much as he can give them. He also operates on a don't-ask-me-what-I-am-giving you, just take it, method. Salazar thinks that by limiting the source just to himself he can do as he pleases with drugs and supplements..

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

For example, I think Tennis still permits IV infusions, while the IAAF does not.

Do you have a citation for that?

I think IAAF does still allow infusions of less than 50 ml over a 6 hour period. I am open to correction.

feeding the troll wrote:

Ostrich wrote:

0/10.

You could not find where WADA specifically allows "thyroid meds".

Where does the WADA code specifically allow me to drink water?

0/10

WADA does not specifically allow you to make $100k, run sub 15 for 5k, have a smoking hot wife, be a real man, or to live and breath.

At what point does NOP merchandise go on deep discount sale?

It turns out that Alberto Salazar still might have a few problems.

For example:

During its research into the matter, USADA found that a pharmacy located near Houston had produced the L-carnitine IV infusion bags for the runners. The investigators are in possession of a form from the pharmacy dated Jan. 4, 2012, noting that four 100 mL bags were being prepared. The next day, Rupp received an intravenous infusion of L-carnitine from Dr. Jeffrey Brown. The plasma carnitine levels of some of the NOP runners went from under 100 micromol/L before the IV infusion to over 2000 micromol/L after the L-carnitine IV infusion of 1 hour duration.

In a Dec. 20, 2011, email to Rupp, Alberto wrote: "TAKE A FULL EXTRA LEVOXYL (Prescription thyroid hormone drug T4) TONIGHT AND START ON CYTOMEL (Prescription thyroid hormone drug T3) RIGHT AWAY. P.S. I'VE GOT CYTOMEL. IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, CALL ME AND I'LL DRIVE IT OVER."

It would be illegal for Alberto to "play doctor" with Galen Rupp by telling Galen to change his dose of Levoxyl and to start on Cytomel…because Alberto is not a doctor. Alberto does not have a license to practice medicine.

It would also be illegal for Alberto to be a pharmacy delivery service for Galen Rupp…because Alberto Salazar is not a pharmacy.

Alberto's 'Possible Sabotage of Galen Rupp with Testosterone Gel Experiments' on his 2 sons also broke various federal and state drug laws, because it is illegal to administer the schedule III controlled substance and prescription hormone drug AndroGel to any other people who do not have a prescription for AndroGel.

Questions for Alberto:

1) Why does Alberto Salazar have the prescription thyroid hormone drug Cytomel (T3) at his house?

2) Does Alberto Salazar have a prescription from Dr. Jeffrey Brown for Cytomel to treat his 'hypothyroidism' medical condition?

...in addition to having a prescription from a doctor for testosterone gel to treat his 'hypogonadism' medical condition?

The investigators wrote that it appeared to be "highly likely" that Rupp received "an L-carnitine infusion from Dr. Brown in excess of 50 ml." If that happened, then both would have been in violation "of the applicable anti-doping rules." The consequence for Rupp would be a suspension.

They also have evidence that Dr. Brown altered medical records, removed a page from Dathan Ritzenhein's medical records, and intentionally withheld information unlawfully to cover his ground and make it seem as if the amount of the IV infusions were legal.

NONE of the 5 NOP athletes have the quantity of the L-carnitine IV infusions administered by Dr. Brown recorded in their medical records, either in terms of the total quantity of L-carnitine administered in mg., concentration of the IV infusion in mg of L-carnitine/mL of infusion , or the total volume of the L-carnitine IV infusion administered.

This seems very, very, very, very, very suspicious.

Mo Farah was also administered an IV infusion of L-carnitine by Dr. Chakraverty in 2014, before his London Marathon race.

It turns out that Dr. Chakraverty also did not remember to record the amount of the L-carnitine IV infusion given to Mo Farah in his medical records. However, Dr. Chakraverty can remember that the IV L-carnitine infusion that he administered to Mo Farah was exactly 13.5 mL (with no concentration or quantity of L-carnitine given for the intravenous infusion).

Dr. Chakraverty has a really bad memory and a really good memory…at the same time.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/39627807

It is just a coincidence.

In 2015, Rupp told The Sunday Times, “The first time I tried L-carnitine was in mid-2011 as a drink and I stopped taking it in 2012. I did not get any infusions or injections in 2011. I found no benefit so I stopped using it.”

The USADA report describes Rupp’s statement as ‘false’ and ‘seriously misleading.'

It adds: “Rupp, in fact, received an L-carnitine infusion on January 5, 2012, in an amount USADA believes...may have exceeded the WADA 50 mL limit and may therefore have constituted anti-doping rule violation (ADRV)."

What if Galen loses his 2012 Olympic silver medal from Alberto's IV L-carnitine infusion that was administered by Dr. Jeffrey Brown on Jan. 5, 2012?

Then Tariku Bekele gets the 2012 Olympic silver medal and Kenenisa Bekele gets the 2012 Olympic bronze medal in the 10000m.

Is it possible that Galen and Alberto might get their 2012 Olympic silver medal taken away... because of Alberto's stupid idea?

This is going to be a really fun time for Alberto.

Hey Alberto.

Are you having fun now?

Oh yeah.

Other Wise wrote:

What am I missing wrote:

Otherwise,

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. The answer you quoted simply restates 4.3 of the WADA Code, which I cited. In other words, you are just repeating what I said, with a bit more detail.

Again: What am I missing?

What you are missing is that two of three criteria are sufficient to ban an athlete. Actual test results are not necessary.

The reason it works this way is to prevent athletes and support personnel (coaches, doctors, etc.) from taking advantage of rules not yet written or specifically described in the code. Think of it as closing the gray-zone door. An athlete cannot simple use a new wonder-drug no one knows about and plead innocence: "It's not in the prohibited list; I can use it!"; this doesn't fly.

Please name one athlete banned under this "2 of 3 criteria"

Thanks,

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Other Wise wrote:

What you are missing is that two of three criteria are sufficient to ban an athlete. Actual test results are not necessary.

The reason it works this way is to prevent athletes and support personnel (coaches, doctors, etc.) from taking advantage of rules not yet written or specifically described in the code. Think of it as closing the gray-zone door. An athlete cannot simple use a new wonder-drug no one knows about and plead innocence: "It's not in the prohibited list; I can use it!"; this doesn't fly.

Please name one athlete banned under this "2 of 3 criteria"

Thanks,

You really have your head in the sand. It is the WADA Code. Pretending it is not there will save Salazar.

. . . Armstrong.