Dr. Brown notified of doping charges - Is Alberto Salazar next?

Why Lie? wrote:

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Of all the runners I know personally, only one is on thyroid replacement hormone but about half of the the NOP is on it. That can't be legit.[/quote]

Where do you get that? One NOP runner is on Thyroid, Galen Rupp. Why lie about this? If you have quotes or proof let's see it.[/quote]

Thank you. I was just about to say this but you beat me to it

A bunch of "know it alls" who have no idea what they are talking about and this website that continues to allow slanderous statements like this against NOP athletes.

test2 wrote:

it does wrote:

Kinda funny, 3 people close to me have had thyroid problems. I can see how it would impede you running to your capacity. But that could never be the case here, right? Everyone who runs decent has to be a cheater.

Of all the runners I know personally, only one is on thyroid replacement hormone but about half of the the NOP is on it. That can't be legit.

Legit or not, still not an antidoping violation.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

test2 wrote:

Of all the runners I know personally, only one is on thyroid replacement hormone but about half of the the NOP is on it. That can't be legit.

Legit or not, still not an antidoping violation.

0/10, ostrich.

Ostrich wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Legit or not, still not an antidoping violation.

0/10, ostrich.

Thyroid hormone is legal, in an out of competition. Without a TUE.

Shady McDreamy wrote:

What do you think the charges will be? Using more than 50mL? Unnecessary supplements that were going against the spirit of the sport rule?

There is no "spirit of the sport" rule in the WADA Code. This has been discussed at length. Here's a brief summary:

Under the CODE, WADA can only use the "spirit of the sport" when it is deciding whether to put a specific substance or method on the Prohibited List. (WADA Code, 4.3) Otherwise, under the Code, people can only be banned for violating one of the specific rules laid out in Section 2 of the WADA Code, and in the Prohibited List.

Given this, it seems likely the charge will be infusing more than 50ml in 6 hours.

it does wrote:

Kinda funny, 3 people close to me have had thyroid problems. I can see how it would impede you running to your capacity. But that could never be the case here, right? Everyone who runs decent has to be a cheater.

I have crappy running form. Should I be given a lap start in a 5k? That is exactly what thyroid meds do for athletes.

test2 wrote:

Of all the runners I know personally, only one is on thyroid replacement hormone but about half of the the NOP is on it. That can't be legit.

It might not be legit, but it's not against the WADA Code. The Code says nothing about thyroid supplementation. The USADA asked WADA to put thyroid meds on the Prohibited List, but WADA refused.

Thyroid medicine is used not just an issue for NOP. After all, Salazar learned about thyroid meds from Wetmore, via the Gouchers.

Read the rules, please wrote:

Given this, it seems likely the charge will be infusing more than 50ml in 6 hours.

I think it is likely that he will be charged with covering up/concealing. Whatever the official language is. For altering medical records.

I predict we won't have to wait long for the whole charging document to leak. Then we'll know.

messi wrote:

I have crappy running form. Should I be given a lap start in a 5k? That is exactly what thyroid meds do for athletes.

A head start is against the rules, thyroid meds are not.

Whether thyroid meds are unfair, dangerous or a violation of the spirit of the sport, they are allowed under the current doping rules. Until those rules are changed, it is not cheating to use them. Period.

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Mr. Obvious wrote:

I think it is likely that he will be charged with covering up/concealing. Whatever the official language is. For altering medical records.

Good point. It's called "complicity" in the Code. But since people can only be charged with covering up a doping violation, any complicity charge will be on top of doping charge. And it's hard to see that being about anything besides infusions.

I predict we won't have to wait long for the whole charging document to leak. Then we'll know.

Please, don't be so cynical. You might corrupt the children.

test2 wrote:

it does wrote:

Kinda funny, 3 people close to me have had thyroid problems. I can see how it would impede you running to your capacity. But that could never be the case here, right? Everyone who runs decent has to be a cheater.

Of all the runners I know personally, only one is on thyroid replacement hormone but about half of the the NOP is on it. That can't be legit.

Unless running at a high level induces thyroid problems...

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Ostrich wrote:

0/10, ostrich.

Thyroid hormone is legal, in an out of competition. Without a TUE.

Wrong. The comment is about the disproportion number of hormone users at NOP.

messi wrote:

it does wrote:

Kinda funny, 3 people close to me have had thyroid problems. I can see how it would impede you running to your capacity. But that could never be the case here, right? Everyone who runs decent has to be a cheater.

I have crappy running form. Should I be given a lap start in a 5k? That is exactly what thyroid meds do for athletes.

Wow, some people on this website are ridiculous. This points to a total lack of understanding about the disease.

For example, I have hypothyroidism. I was a competitive runner on the up-and-up, making improvements and increasing my training. Then, I started feeling like crap for days after any workout. Got to the point where I assumed I was chronically overtrained. Good some blood work done and boom... Hypothyroid. Started taking meds and now I can train normally... Sort of. I haven't felt as good as I used to and I fear I never will.

Its certainly not equivalent to cheating.

Read the rules, please wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

I think it is likely that he will be charged with covering up/concealing. Whatever the official language is. For altering medical records.

Good point. It's called "complicity" in the Code. But since people can only be charged with covering up a doping violation, any complicity charge will be on top of doping charge. And it's hard to see that being about anything besides infusions.

I predict we won't have to wait long for the whole charging document to leak. Then we'll know.

Please, don't be so cynical. You might corrupt the children.

So the technical language: I think it is possible Dr. Brown could be charged w/ any or all of the following

1. trafficking in a prohibited method:

2.7 Trafficking or Attempted Trafficking in any

Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method

2. Administration of a prohibited method:

2.8 Administration or Attempted Administration to any

Athlete In-Competition of any Prohibited Substance

or Prohibited Method, or Administration or Attempted

Administration to any Athlete Out-of-Competition of any

Prohibited Substance or any Prohibited Method that is

prohibited Out-of-Competition

3. Complicity

2.9 Complicity

Assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, conspiring,

covering up or any other type of intentional complicity

involving an anti-doping rule violation, Attempted

anti-doping rule violation or violation of Article 10.12.1 by

another Person.

I suppose he could also be charged w/ possession of a prohibited method, but the trafficking and administration already seems kind of like double-counting.

Ostrich wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Thyroid hormone is legal, in an out of competition. Without a TUE.

Wrong. The comment is about the disproportion number of hormone users at NOP.

OK. I personally think they are using thyroid hormone to try to enhance performance. Whatever you or I think about the ethics or integrity of that decision, it doesn't change the fact that it is legal.

Have a nice day.

Read the rules, please wrote:

Shady McDreamy wrote:

What do you think the charges will be? Using more than 50mL? Unnecessary supplements that were going against the spirit of the sport rule?

There is no "spirit of the sport" rule in the WADA Code. This has been discussed at length. Here's a brief summary:

Under the CODE, WADA can only use the "spirit of the sport" when it is deciding whether to put a specific substance or method on the Prohibited List. (WADA Code, 4.3) Otherwise, under the Code, people can only be banned for violating one of the specific rules laid out in Section 2 of the WADA Code, and in the Prohibited List.

Given this, it seems likely the charge will be infusing more than 50ml in 6 hours.

QUESTION 9. Why may there be a delay in determining the status of some substances on the Prohibited List?

The WADA Prohibited List endeavours to capture as many known substances and methods that satisfy any two of the following three criteria:

- Potential to enhance or enhances sports performance

- An actual or potential health risk to the athlete

- Use violates the spirit of sport (outlined in the Code)

Substances or methods which mask the effect of prohibited substances are also prohibited. In addition, a substance which has not been approved for human use is likely to be prohibited as well.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

it doesn't change the fact that it is legal.

Have a nice day.

You are not a legal expert. Have a nice day.

Ostrich wrote:

Wrong. The comment is about the disproportion number of hormone users at NOP.

I must be missing something, because I don't understand what it means talk about disproportionate use of an allowed substance under the doping rules. Since thyroid meds are not banned, there are no restriction of their use by runners. Under the doping rules, runners can use thyroid meds whenever, and for whatever reason, they want.

Using or prescribing drugs without a sound medical reason might create legal or licensing problems for a doctor or patient, but it does not create doping problems for runners under the WADA Code. The Code imposes no restrictions on the reasons people take thyroid drugs, (or allowable drugs more generally). The Code only requires reasons when people take banned drugs; those reasons must be given in order to get a TUE. But since thyroid meds are not banned...