U.S. High School Sub Four Race

Really? You pick the top 2 fastest highschoolers in history to go 1 & 2 in your theoretical race? Genius!

1000% agree to your statement. Dude above is a moron.

Lost in the Speed Force wrote:

Okay suppose we could get in a time machine and gather all 10 sub four United States High Schoolers to race against each other.

Who would win? Also where would each one place?

I'm picking Webb and Ryun 1&2

Ignoring Webb and Ryun for the moment...

Realistically, given how suckish the tracks and spikes were in the 1960s, Danielson and Liquori's runs should be better than the modern-day 3:59s.

Following them, the runner with the worst conditions was probably Verzbicas, who was getting rained on during his run, and somehow ended up with something like a :57, 2:02 split from the rabbit.

The runner with the best conditions was probably Fisher, with his race pretty much going perfectly.

Hunter did it indoors which should also be taken into account

Are Verzbicas and Ryun the only ones to do it in high-school-only races?

jimmymango wrote:

Are Verzbicas and Ryun the only ones to do it in high-school-only races?

This is wrong Michael did it last year in a highschool race as well

How about getting all of the 3:59.3 to 4:02 or so runners from this year and putting them in the same race, maybe with a rabbit or two. Would have to in high school to make it a legit high school race.

Reality based reasoning wrote:

How about getting all of the 3:59.3 to 4:02 or so runners from this year and putting them in the same race, maybe with a rabbit or two. Would have to in high school to make it a legit high school race.

Are you describing brooks PR

50 years to life wrote:

I think Tim Danielson could kill them all.

Funny

Couldbebetter, you're an idiot. Tim Danielson killed his wife, that's why the guy said what he said, how about doing a little research/reading before you criticize people

50 years to life wrote:

I think Tim Danielson could kill them all.

I'd also expect Verzbicas to take it out at breakneck pace.

1 - Jim r

2 - Webb

3 - Lukas V

4 - Marty l

5 - hunter

6-10 pure crap shoot

Guess o rama wrote:

1 - A grizzly bear

1A - Jim r

2 - Webb

3 - Lukas V

4 - Marty l

5 - hunter

6-10 pure crap shoot

1) Jim Ryun

2) Alan Webb

3) Lukas Verzbicas

4) Drew Hunter

5) Marty Liqouri

6) Tim Danielson

7) Grant Fisher

8) Michael Slagowski

9) Matthew Maton

10) Reed Brown

Indoor tracks are way faster than they used to be. On the other hand, Danielson ran on an extremely fast dirt track, probably not worth much faster than 3:58.

Remember, Jim Ryun ran 3:39.0 1500m (3:56 mile) on the crappiest torn-up dirt track ever his junior year of high school in 84F heat at the Olympic Trials.

Ryun also ran 3:58.3 all alone in a high school race on a slow dirt surface in 86F heat.

And this was over 50 years ago!!

Ryun wins hands-down.

Dyestat Rumor wrote:

Hunter did it indoors which should also be taken into account

Let's face it, Tinman prepared Hunter perfectly to dip under 4. In better conditions he still hasn't run under 3:57. I wouldn't pick him to beat someone like Reed Brown.

Early judgement wrote:

Dyestat Rumor wrote:

Hunter did it indoors which should also be taken into account

Let's face it, Tinman prepared Hunter perfectly to dip under 4. In better conditions he still hasn't run under 3:57. I wouldn't pick him to beat someone like Reed Brown.

He actually just ran 3:38, and he ran 3:57 with lime disease outdoor at pre, he would finish top 3 in this hypothetical. The fact that his coach prepared him to run sub 4 is irrelevant because obviously he would have to have been trained to run sub 4 in order to run sub 4, just like all of these kids.

Michael did it in a high school race, was paced through the half way point in 2:01 or 2:02, was getting over a cold, and it was rainy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fybpxOCvi8