25% of NCAA field is foreign

tell lazy american kids to run faster and get better grades. problem solved.

Dear Monkeys Typing:

Nothing, and I mean nothing, is stopping Americans from going to school in other countries - MANY DO!!!! The Fullbright scholarship fulfills this very need.

Also America is the home of more "well-surfaced tracks" than any other country on the planet. You have access to incredible facilities, coaches, coaching seminars, and a well-funded AND well-run (no matter what you say about USATF they consistently field world-class and elite athletes).

Nike, Reebok, New Balance, Converse, Hoka, Keds, and Sketchers are all AMERICAN companies and the ALL host meets. Are you really telling me that Conservative America needs a HAND-OUT to compete with Africans, Euros, Islanders, Asians, and Antipodeans.

You were supposed to make "America Great Again".

I have said this before and I will say this again. Foreign athletes in the NCAA make it more competitive AND prepares you for the Worlds and Olympics.

Be a competitor and run faster, jump higher, and throw further.

Distance athletes are supposed to be TOUGH, you are doing your fellow cardio queens/kings a disservice by denying them the opportunity to test their mettle against real competition.

The beauty of track is that it is an absolutely objective sport.

Your better than that and I expect more from you.

The kids aren't lazy, it's the coaches. What you are seeing is coaching mediocrity.

Would go up to 28% if Oregon could exploit Cheserek again.

Cheserek was raced more in two years than Centrowitz was raced in four years. Accident?

As long as NCAA TF relies on concussion money this is what you'll get, lowest of the low, wringing out talent rather than nurturing it.

americans are just not very competitive and not very clever either. while the best scientists are immigrants to the USA, the natives vote for trump. same with running

Fulbright "type" scholarships are reciprocal. Athletic scholarships are not. American kids quit the sport because they have to compete against the rest of the world for an in-state scholarship.

How many Americans are on athletic scholarship at Seb Coe's old school Loughborough College?

College facilities and opportunities benefit and develop the foreign athlete far more than the American.

Last but not least - 80% of AZ State national golf champs were foreign. Read my lips - I said 80%. Don't get me started on college women's tennis.

Monkeys typing wrote:

http://www.ustfccca.org/2017/06/featured/ncaa-di-finals-where-did-they-come-from

Just sayin'.

Remind me again how many Americans are on scholarship at Wollongong U.?

why don't you get one of those fox news mensas to endow an affirmative action grant for underprivileged americans

make america whiny again!

Dear Monkeys Typing

l will answer your questions respectfully.

Fulbright "type" scholarships are reciprocal. Athletic scholarships are not.

This is fair and correct, I will concede this point. BUT there are athletic scholarships in non-US schools.

American kids quit the sport because they have to compete against the rest of the world for an in-state scholarship.

Athletic scholarships are NOT in-state tuition. They are athletic scholarships. By being foreign it automatically means it is NOT in-state. In order to justify recruiting foreign athletes the foreign athlete needs to be SIGNIFICANTLY better. Are you saying a kid in Texas, Florida, or California is disadvantaged compared to a kid in the Ivory Coast, Mali, Burkina Faso?

How many Americans are on athletic scholarship at Seb Coe's old school Loughborough College?

Actually, there are PLENTY of athletic scholarships in non-US schools. Google is your friend.

College facilities and opportunities benefit and develop the foreign athlete far more than the American.

What are the Americans doing in their own country that they can not benefit from their school that a foreign athlete can benefit from? Can YOU not teach the American kids these skills?

Last but not least - 80% of AZ State national golf champs were foreign. Read my lips - I said 80%. Don't get me started on college women's tennis.

Are you kidding me? Are you saying that all those kids in the country-clubs in Tempe and Scottsdale CAN NOT play golf at a collegiate-level? What have they been doing all those years?

The reality is this; competition is GLOBAL. Why do you not like competition?

The Olympics is global, the IAAF Worlds is global, the Diamond League is global, and the World XC is global.

I still do not believe that you can say with a straight face that a kid in the US can not compete with kids from Lesotho, Switzerland, or Thailand. This has got to be an epic troll post.

You have me. Well played, well played.

LOL the facilities at Texas, Florida State, Florida, and Texas A&M are better than the National Olympic Training Centers of over 85% of the nations on this planet.

Look the reality is this;

1) Ask yourself - WHY do so many kids in the States drop out of sports by the time they turn 13.

2) Do you coach or volunteer to coach US athletes - if not, why not. I mean this sincerely, if you think the local kids can not "hang" , help them. Letsrun forum has some highly dedicated, intelligent, and thoughtful coaches/ex-athletes who are willing to share their experiences. You just need to wade through the 98% of embarrassingly toxic, hateful, and gossipy nonsense. I am assuming your are NOT the 98%.

3) Julius Yego learnt to throw a javelin from Youtube in Kenya. Are you telling me the internet is better in Kenya than South Carolina?

4) You are having a hard time dealing with REAL competition. But the answer as stated before is simple - practice harder. All you need are a few elements and work-ethic.

5) Coaches jobs are tied to performance at the conference/regional/national-level. Why should she/he lose their job by recruiting kids (local,domestic, or foreign) who do not want to work or be coached?

6) My old coach used to tell me all the time, "There is NO magic in track, do the work, and be professional about it".

Many foreign athletes are older than their American counterparts and are going for almost solely track (college in many countries is free or nearly free without a scholarship)

25% foreign and 75% felon.

hmmmmmmm wrote:

Many foreign athletes are older than their American counterparts and are going for almost solely track (college in many countries is free or nearly free without a scholarship)

In the NCAA as a foreigner you need to pass the TOEFL, speak another language, adapt to a new culture, and of course, attend AND pass class. Do you think that is easy?

The age-restrictions apply across the board - foreign or domestic.

Are you suggesting that the USA have free education? Track in most countries is a club sport. That means that the fees are set by the club.

I am curious, what countries have "free" track and field? Thanks in advance.

There are plenty of "free" opportunities to train track in the States - Boys and Girls Club, YMCA, the public school system, volunteer coaches, etc.

Just get rid of college sports.

And......you also have to pass the SAT

To runfastrunfar:

Thank you for stating #2 in your post. I am a Division I collegiate coach who has consistently tried to share my experiences and knowledge and when I do the 98% idiots just trash anything that is said. I try to share how I got to the DI level, how young coaches can proceed in the sport, or how the salary structure in DI works. Essentially I have tried to help the younger generation of coaches coming up with real world information. But I appreciate you stating the obvious.

2) Do you coach or volunteer to coach US athletes - if not, why not. I mean this sincerely, if you think the local kids can not "hang" , help them. Letsrun forum has some highly dedicated, intelligent, and thoughtful coaches/ex-athletes who are willing to share their experiences. You just need to wade through the 98% of embarrassingly toxic, hateful, and gossipy nonsense. I am assuming your are NOT the 98%.

dsrunner wrote:

The kids aren't lazy, it's the coaches. What you are seeing is coaching mediocrity.

How? Isn't part of coaching trying to land the best talents to work with that you can?

*Loughborough University.

Loughborough was ranked the number one sports university in the world this year by QS World Rankings. You have to actually have good grades to go there and study sports related subjects. In the UK, universities don't really care much for just fast times. You have to actually be gifted academically also.

Americans are free to apply. You won't get the kind of scholarship you do in the states because that's just not on offer here. I ran 1:50 in my last year of 'high school' and nobody would offer me anything​. Just not something that happens here.

I also feel that American students don't WANT to apply for university outside of the states. You have the biggest and best collegiate sports league in the world over there. The British Universities Championships 800m was won in 1:48 this year.

Dear DI collegiate coach.

You are more than welcome!!!

Most people just assume that coaching is holding a whistle and telling kids to run in circles. I know that at the collegiate-level (NCAA,NAIA, etc) that you must produce on the track, in the field AND in the classroom. This is NOT easy, especially in this day and age.

Dear 800ftw:

The UK University System is offering athletic scholarships now. You may have been born too soon. These athletic scholarships are not just in track but in every sport that is offered by the university in question.

The fact that US kids will not venture outside the USA for school is NOT the "foreign" school's issue. Nothing is stopping them from applying.

The NCAA Division 1 for track and field is in my very limited opinion the best U23 track and field "league" to compete in. You could argue that the Euro U23 is better specifically when you factor in the throws. But I would counter that the sprints and jumps in the NCAA. If we include the distance/XC on the men's side I feel the nod goes to the Yankees. How much damage do you think King Ches and the rest of the All-Americans would do.

This has to do with the facilities, coaches, athletes, and the level of competition.

I coach now. I tell my middle-school and high school athletes who I coach if they love track and want to push themselves apply to Division 1 schools in the States.

When I show the parents videos of NCAA Championships or dual-meets. They are in awe of how fast the athletes are, the size of the crowds, and the amount of National (Youth, Junior, Senior) and Olympic athletes in the field.

There is nothing wrong with Division 2, 3, NAIA, or JUCOs but being able to train and compete against the "best of the best" from around the world lets you know exactly where you stand.

There is a reason why the Power 5/Power 6 schools are so successful compared to the rest of the other conferences and divisions. Coaching AND resources.

By the way, your 1:50 is plenty fast to have made you a valuable teammate on any track team in the States.

The athletics scholarships offered by some UK universities now are generally just small cash handouts to talented athletes. It is nothing like the free education given to athletes in the USA. Tuition here costs £9k a year, there are hardly any universities (and none that are academically sound) that offer full scholarships to my knowledge. The requirements are generally very tough also, I will post the latest Loughborough scholarship requirements for athletics below and people will see why US athletes stick to US schools.

The highest tier scholarship offered at Loughborough is for £2,000 to £3,500 a year depending on the candidate. Some exceptional candidates may receive up to £5000 a year. (Note: you still have to pay tuition fees of £9000 a year for EU students or £16,000-£19,900 depending on course for international students)

To be considered for the Top Tier scholarship you must have:

Selection for Major senior outdoor Championships selection (European, Worlds Outdoor Championships or Olympic Games)

Top 6 in any World or European Indoor Championships or top 8 Commonwealth Games.

U20, U23 or senior UK national record

If my 1:50 would have got me a decent scholarship in the US, it's easy to see why US students stick to America and British students go abroad.

The rest of your post i agree with entirely. The US is simply the best in the world for collegiate sports and nobody should complain about the success attracting foreign athletes.

Dear 800ftw:

Please realize that you need good grades to run in US colleges and universities. Please do not believe the trolls who assume that just because you have fast times or great distances you will just get into school.

In this day and age, the school, the conference the school is in, AND the NCAA all have (academic) compliance offices to check on the academic-eligibility of the athletes.

The Myth of the "Dumb Athlete" is just that. A Myth.

NCAA female athletes have the HIGHEST graduation rate at 4 year colleges; and they tend to graduate within the 4 years. The rate was even higher prior to the mid-late 90s explosion of women's professional sport (WNBA, WPS, etc.)

Even if you manage to slide into the school (by hook and crook). How will you be able to maintain your academic-eligibility?

The other assumption is that schools in other countries (where you are not from) are inferior to local schools (where you are from). I am using "you" as anyone who is reading this post.

I grew up all over the world. My education/background is that of private tutors, home-school, and British Prep School. I am British "Public School educated" and attended a New England Prep school of some note, offered a place at an IVY but attended my "dream school" instead, and I will tell you unequivocally learning is learning.

"Localism" is NOT the answer.

I would recommend, assuming that you have not already, to read Peter Drucker's "The Learning Organization" or adopt the Japanese Kaizen practices if you want to improve individually or as an institution.

Another thread on this forum belittles German engineering by Americans. When Mercedes-Benz bought Chrysler they had more complaints in the first three years then in the previous 100 years. So much so, there was a running joke about the American contribution to the partnership.

On the flip-side I have heard people mock the UK but the laser, the radar, the internet and the computer are ALL products of the British educational system.

A kid from Nigeria made a significant contribution to network technology. LINUX was created by a Finn, significant contributions to environmental architecture come from the Middle East, you get the idea.

What I am trying to say is you can find useful information anywhere. This attitude should also be applied to your running/training/life.