At a time when he very well could be looking for new sponsors, this report certainly makes him out to be damaged goods. That accompanied with being older might mean it's over for him.
At a time when he very well could be looking for new sponsors, this report certainly makes him out to be damaged goods. That accompanied with being older might mean it's over for him.
MichiganMagik wrote:
At a time when he very well could be looking for new sponsors, this report certainly makes him out to be damaged goods. That accompanied with being older might mean it's over for him.
Ritz has been running well since leaving NOP, apparently the L-C didn't help him very much.
TrackCoach wrote:
MichiganMagik wrote:At a time when he very well could be looking for new sponsors, this report certainly makes him out to be damaged goods. That accompanied with being older might mean it's over for him.
Ritz has been running well since leaving NOP, apparently the L-C didn't help him very much.
Apart from never approaching his PRs you mean?
Carnitine Knowledge wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:Ritz has been running well since leaving NOP, apparently the L-C didn't help him very much.
Apart from never approaching his PRs you mean?
He ran 60:12 or so at Great North Run in September.
Carnitine Knowledge wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:Ritz has been running well since leaving NOP, apparently the L-C didn't help him very much.
Apart from never approaching his PRs you mean?
Of course he's not running sub-13 5ks anymore, you do realize Ritz is older.
Ritz ran 60:12 for the Half Marathon last September at age 33, his best is 60:00 at age 27. Not that far off, His 12:56 for 5000 he just ran crazy good, his second best is 13:09 and his 10000 is 27:22 his recent half marathon suggests under 27:40 is possible, doubt he ever runs on the track again, but a 2:08-2:09 marathon is realistic NOW based on his 60:12 at the slightly downhill Great North Run last September, he has to stay healthy though. Still one of the USA's best.
There is no reason to feel bad for Ritz. He's not a victim in this mess. He's one of the problems. Ritz knew Salazar was likely crossing the line before he joined NOP but he decided to join despite Salazar's shady history. Joining NOP was undoubtly lucrative for Ritz. Although he would've likely made less money, he never should have joined Salazar.
I had the option of joining with NOP before Ritz joined. I refused because I didn't want to be associated with Salazar. Ritz could've done the samething. I made a lot less money than Ritz in my career, but I have the peace of mind that I did things the right way. I wasn't forced to cross the line, and I don't have to worry about the long-term affects of the shit that Salazar pumps into his athletes.
how soon we forget wrote:
Carnitine Knowledge wrote:Apart from never approaching his PRs you mean?
He ran 60:12 or so at Great North Run in September.
Downhill
TrackCoach wrote:
Carnitine Knowledge wrote:Apart from never approaching his PRs you mean?
Of course he's not running sub-13 5ks anymore, you do realize Ritz is older.
Convenient but he did it years ago and had lots of time to approach it 'clean"
Carnitine Knowledge wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:Of course he's not running sub-13 5ks anymore, you do realize Ritz is older.
Convenient but he did it years ago and had lots of time to approach it 'clean"
He was injured all of 2010 and most of 2011, and has been mostly a 10K/Marathon guy since.
Ritz gave his coach the benefit of the doubt until he couldn't any longer. Maybe Ritz should have avoided it to begin with and maybe Ritz knew it was bad when he was doing, but at least he got out of there and was honest when questioned about it. Hard to dislike the guy.
It's guys like Farah and Rupp who prop up ignorance about their coaching, doping, and the sport to cover for their involvement who make it easy for people to dislike them.
What's difficult for all these athletes is how Salazar has violated the trust you are supposed to put into your coaches and managers. Salazar as a top coach put athletes in a position to be even more trusting and vulnerable to peer pressure. It's a gross violation of his position.
Every intelligent and informed coach knows there is a gray area between what is illegal and what is legal. In some cases legality comes down to dosage, timing, exemptions, slowness from drug authorities, and other logistics. Consequently a smart coach knows there are gains to be had by playing in the gray areas. As a coach you have to choose whether to stay cleanly away from the gray area and accept that your athletes might not do quite as well OR you choose to play in the gray area to give your athletes the best chance of winning. I imagine that most coaches either steer entirely clear or go all-in, as there is less to be gained by tainting yourself with it only occasionally. How realistic is it that Salazar steered clear or merely dabbled based on what we know? The most likely conclusion from all the evidence is that he purposely and knowingly sought opportunities to push the rules. It's his prevailing mindset. It's a decision every coach faces and Salazar sold out.
On a personal level what sickens me the most is Salazar's religious views. Perhaps forgiveness is what appeals to him most about religion. He recruits a legion of followers into a mindset of trust and belief. He preaches a foundation of values. Then he illegally uses science as the means to produce transcendent athletes.
not really a 5k guy anway wrote:
Carnitine Knowledge wrote:Convenient but he did it years ago and had lots of time to approach it 'clean"
He was injured all of 2010 and most of 2011, and has been mostly a 10K/Marathon guy since.
Because he was trying to run above his ability level via doping.
Stop Drinking the Kool-aid wrote:
There is no reason to feel bad for Ritz. He's not a victim in this mess. He's one of the problems. Ritz knew Salazar was likely crossing the line before he joined NOP but he decided to join despite Salazar's shady history. Joining NOP was undoubtly lucrative for Ritz. Although he would've likely made less money, he never should have joined Salazar.
I had the option of joining with NOP before Ritz joined. I refused because I didn't want to be associated with Salazar. Ritz could've done the samething. I made a lot less money than Ritz in my career, but I have the peace of mind that I did things the right way. I wasn't forced to cross the line, and I don't have to worry about the long-term affects of the shit that Salazar pumps into his athletes.
What were your impressions of the group before you joined?
I'm also kind of curious to understand how you were able to separate innuendo from fact... or was innuendo enough?
how soon we forget wrote:
Carnitine Knowledge wrote:Apart from never approaching his PRs you mean?
He ran 60:12 or so at Great North Run in September.
That and a great race at Boston in 2015
Stop Drinking the Kool-aid wrote:
I had the option of joining with NOP before Ritz joined. I refused because I didn't want to be associated with Salazar. Ritz could've done the samething.
This is an excellent point. Any of us who follow the sport had a pretty good idea that this stuff was going on well before Ritz joined NOP. This was a choice that he made and he has to live with it. Same for Hasay, Rowbury, Centro, etc.
Sorry, but after living in Michigan all my life and watching him run some great races----14:10 at Brooklyn!!!!!----it's really tough to swallow and believe that he would let anybody inject him with anything.
After the high school controversy with his coach, whom I believe got fired, I never thought he'd do anything but train like a beast with his level the amazing level of talent that he was born with.
Bummed out in Michigan:(
Carnitine Knowledge wrote:
not really a 5k guy anway wrote:He was injured all of 2010 and most of 2011, and has been mostly a 10K/Marathon guy since.
Because he was trying to run above his ability level via doping.
No, Alberto tried to change his form, remember? Dathan had a history of injury before joining Alberto. Missed much of his time at Colorado, missed almost all of 2005, etc.
don't you remember? wrote:
No, Alberto tried to change his form, remember? Dathan had a history of injury before joining Alberto. Missed much of his time at Colorado, missed almost all of 2005, etc.
It's clear he doesn't remember anything, and blindly hates Ritz. Just ignore him.
No one will sign him.
He will be serving a suspension.
If not then he will,carry a cloud over his head for a long time. I
Don't feed the trolls wrote:
don't you remember? wrote:No, Alberto tried to change his form, remember? Dathan had a history of injury before joining Alberto. Missed much of his time at Colorado, missed almost all of 2005, etc.
It's clear he doesn't remember anything, and blindly hates Ritz. Just ignore him.
No, I liked Ritz right up until I found out he was a doper. That's pretty clear.
But you keep lance romancing for him if it makes you feel better.
Also Ritz didn't run that great at Boston, Hardloper.
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