Letsvote.com: Anyone associated with Salazar is tainted. YES or NO?

Nacho Chez wrote:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and flies like a duck, it must be one...Everything about Salazar looks shady. He acts like a pimp, not a coach.

YES....I still hope that Dathan wasn't dirty, but I think he was probably facing a contract reduction "or else". I really wanted him to be clean.

No It must quack like a duck also...

No.

They were responsible for their own legality, so they are tainted, but to me, "dirty" implies that there was intent on the part of the athletes. Some, notably Ritz, seemed to be eager to comply with the rules, but were lied to. There is a stain on their reputations, but they are not dirty or cheats.

No we mean a guy who has cheated for over 30 years. Who is also a terrible person to boot.

Dfhhhhgdds wrote:

Has anyone seen an interview of Salazar or how he acts in general? He has to be one of the slimiest guys around. I always got the sense that he would do whatever it took to have the best runners and that includes risking their health with PEDs.

Yes, of course they're tainted.

I've been at a coaching clinic with him as the main speaker.

He is a very genuine guy and even let me pick his brain later about the London 10k.

If .50 is considered illegal, he would do anything to get his athletes to .4999.

Now, we might understand why Rupp has always been edgy and abrasive towards reporters. When you are rotting with guilt, you become easily defensive.

YES

Makes me laugh how people are still clinging to the fact that Ritz is clean and didn't know what he was doing yet Rupp and Farah are dirty and should burn. Totally hypocritical! Likely they are all dirty and ignorance is no excuse. Clearly they had their doubts with Rupp and Ritz asking if it was legal and Ritz having severe doubts about taking it but doing it to keep the money.

They have less evidence with Farah he didn't see Brown as far as I know. The UK doctors that infused him also conviently did not keep records of how much he took. He is still just as much a cheat as all Salazars athletes.

Not sure they can ban the athletes without more evidence though (there are no records of amount injected) and if they do it is likely to be a short ban considering it is legal but delivered in an illegal way.

Salazar should however get banned for life for misleading others (even though that is no excuse for the athletes clearly he did mislead then), endangering health by dishing out mediciaction the athletes did not need and being a general scum bag and bully. Likely he used testosterone on people as well and still hadn't proved his need for it.

Yes

There is a strong not all but some voice on the thread.

JoJoCo wrote:

Nacho Chez wrote:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and flies like a duck, it must be one...Everything about Salazar looks shady. He acts like a pimp, not a coach.

YES....I still hope that Dathan wasn't dirty, but I think he was probably facing a contract reduction "or else". I really wanted him to be clean.

No It must quack like a duck also...

Ducks can't fly though

Serious Voters Only wrote:

Its becoming clearer and clearer that Salazar is a dirty man and so are his athletes. Vote on it. Agree or disagree? No Nike shills allowed.

I vote yes. You would have to suspend common sense to believe otherwise.

Nah. Look at what they've been doing for years in letting the E. Africans avoid out of competition tests, or when they're caught trying to make up excuses, claim false positives. When it all comes crashing down front men will claim it's racism.

I only consider Dawn Grunnagle and Steve Magness tainted because they were the guinea pigs, so who knows what they took.

I feel bad for Salazar. He worked so hard to stay within the guidelines of WADA and now he is being crucified for it.

It would have been much simpler for his athletes to simply Lance.

Unfortunately, he may have slipped up on the guidelines a few times (it happens when you constantly work so close to the line). If you search deep enough, you will find something.

My guess is that 80%+ of this board used an illegal substance at one point ( unknowingly in 90% of the cases). Did I ever check whether a cold medication was ok or not, or a protein shake or whatever? Never. I was not good enough to care about that and I simply wanted to get better as fast as possible like anybody normal. Same for most people here. So go on a witch hunt and you will be able to crucify most people on this board.

Who here can cast the first stone?

If WADA has a problem with what Salazar was doing, then change the regulations.

Everybody else here is simply jealous and wish that they had the willingness/tools/obsession/talent... that this group has. Clearly, using his methods, Salazar's group did better than they should have taken into consideration their talent level. So be it until WADA changes the rules.

Forget the unhealthy medication stuff. Runnng 150 miles a week is not healthy, so we can simply stop right there. You don't have the look at medication. If we really cared about "health", we would probably limit running to 100 miles per week (maybe even less). In reality, Lance is probably healthier now than he would be had he tried to train as hard as he did without PED. So that argument is BS.

In my opinion , an athlete deciding not to takes no some type of WADA legal medication for health reasons is the same as an athlete telling his coach that he doesn't want to run 150 miles per week for health reasons. Both could be unhealthy, both are WADA legal. It's probably smarter for an athlete to say "don't expect me to run 150 miles per week without supplements. It's stupid. The body is not made for that". It's not "right", but it's probably smarter.