The full USADA report on Alberto Salazar has been leaked - Here it is

Have you ever been subjected to an adversarial investigation where virtually every datum is twisted to advance a case against you? We live in a fanatically litigious society, where everyone under suspicion is nearly forced to behave like they have something to hide. You have to get a lawyer and the first thing he tells you is: don't reveal anything. The problem here is an excessive concern with the possibilities of medical performance enhancement accompanied by an array of rules that distort everyone's behavior and by penalties that amount to capital punishment as a competitor.

rojo wrote:

I am all for medical privacy. WE're not talking about releasing them to the public. We're talking about releasing to USADA.

A) You could redact anything sensitive and

B) We're talking about sharing reports with your visits to Dr. Brown.

They wouldn't have to release they terminated a pregnancy two years ago.

Harambe wrote:

It appears that there's no hard evidence over 50mL was used anyway.

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Are you crazy?

1)You can't take your creating from 50 to 2000+ in an hour without taking more than 50 ml.

2) Dr. Brown clearly altered medical records. More than once.

3) Rupp's own lawyer handed over the pharamcy's notes that indicated Rupp got way more than 50 ml prepared for him.

So there are 3 pieces of hard evidence if you count #1 (scientific law).

Wrong. This report is from March 2016- that wasn't two years ago. It was a preliminary report for the Texas medical board. They had the entire squad so the infusion and have a chart which shows their levels exploded. Whether it worked or not, they certainly believed it did or they would not have gone through the trouble of having everyone on the team do it. And alberto wouldn't have bragged in an email to lance, Parker, etc how big the results were. Did you read the report?Sad how people are justifying this.And we do have testimony. Salazar, Rupp, and ritz under OATH. Do you not realize how serious that is?

Pretense wrote:

So is this one of those illegally leaked documents? LRC supports such criminality?

So you want us to act like it's not out there and that the NY Times and Times of London haven't already reported on it?

rojo does this make him liable for a ban? and would he potentially have to return his olympic silver?

If they established all of that then why has there been no action taken against all of these people? As I understand it, the point on the limitation is to avoid masking. I don't think this is a great look but it also does not amount to much. And, if any athlete felt uncomfortable, they could politely say 'no.' They are not children.

Gross wrote:

Pretty sad that, if you read the full repirt (and not just comments here), we have testimony that proves NOP had infusions that exceeded the legal limit solely for the purpose of enhancing performance. No, it's not EPO, it's better because it worked- and you morons are defending it.

They cheated idiots.

Harambe wrote:

Has anyone changed their opinion of NOP after reading this?

We already know they were firmly in the grey area.

That either bothered you or it didn't. I don't see what is new....

Mine has been changed. Here they clearly are in the black area- not grey. Salazar asks USADA if he can do something, is told no and then apparently does it anyway and lies to his athletes about it.

Oh yeah and some of the stuff he is doing is dangerous.

How in the world has he not been banned? I don't get that. And I don't get how Dr. Brown hasn't been banned for doctoring medical records but maybe the Texas medical board doesn't care if he lies to uSADA.

Not sure about the athletes. Should Ritz really be banned? He repeatedly said he didn't want to do it, was assured it was legal and still didn't make the team.

-rojo

PS.

And I've also learned Salazar had a bunch of no good women on his team. I thought he was a genius who could turn anyone into an Olympic champ.

Gross wrote:

Pretty sad that, if you read the full repirt (and not just comments here), we have testimony that proves NOP had infusions that exceeded the legal limit solely for the purpose of enhancing performance. No, it's not EPO, it's better because it worked- and you morons are defending it.

They cheated idiots.

I wish we had an upvote.

Preach Rojo. Wish people understood this on here instead of being dismissive all because you are obsessed with the runners on that team.

Harambe wrote:

Filtered Summary wrote:

Yup, that is what he wants. An ostrich summary.

Has anyone changed their opinion of NOP after reading this?

We already know they were firmly in the grey area.

That either bothered you or it didn't. I don't see what is new....

Yeah, this isn't really anything new and it is a draft, an ahressive draft, and we don't know what was changed if anything.

The gray area, I think most people think I'd as epo, hgh, roids, micro dosing etc.

Here we seem to be talking vitamin d and a protein building block.

500mg/ml is a standard dose via IM/drip. Orally, 2-4gms 2x a day is standard. You don't need nearly as much of ANY drug when bypassing the digestive system. These studies aren't secret, just look them up. 50ml in under 4 hours with the required amount of L-Car to achieve the desired effect is easily done (in much less time). The issue here is that they willingly injected something in order to have a performance enhancing effect that normally would NOT occur.

rojo wrote:

Harambe wrote:

It appears that there's no hard evidence over 50mL was used anyway.

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Are you crazy?

1)You can't take your creating from 50 to 2000+ in an hour without taking more than 50 ml.

2) Dr. Brown clearly altered medical records. More than once.

3) Rupp's own lawyer handed over the pharamcy's notes that indicated Rupp got way more than 50 ml prepared for him.

So there are 3 pieces of hard evidence if you count #1 (scientific law).

Haha wrote:

Gross wrote:

Pretty sad that, if you read the full repirt (and not just comments here), we have testimony that proves NOP had infusions that exceeded the legal limit solely for the purpose of enhancing performance. No, it's not EPO, it's better because it worked- and you morons are defending it.

They cheated idiots.

Agreed! Tbh I feel like PR people from Nike are on these message boards.

Really!

It seems more to me like a few of the anonymous trolls finally got bored with flooding the board with libel and lies.

Dude, what court has approved this report as proven 100% factual.

There's a claim of a changed medical report, but that doesn't prove it. Record keeping and testimony are different things.

Just confess you hate Salazar.

Thank you.

[quote]ggilder wrote:

Have you ever been subjected to an adversarial investigation where virtually every datum is twisted to advance a case against you? We live in a fanatically litigious society, where everyone under suspicion is nearly forced to behave like they have something to hide. You have to get a lawyer and the first thing he tells you is: don't reveal anything.

The problem here is an excessive concern with the possibilities of medical performance enhancement accompanied by an array of rules that distort everyone's behavior and by penalties that amount to capital punishment as a competitor.

[quote]

Has anyone changed their opinion of NOP after reading this?

We already know they were firmly in the grey area.

That either bothered you or it didn't. I don't see what is new....[/quote]

Mine has been changed. Here they clearly are in the black area- not grey. Salazar asks USADA if he can do something, is told no and then apparently does it anyway and lies to his athletes about it.

Oh yeah and some of the stuff he is doing is dangerous.

How in the world has he not been banned? I don't get that. And I don't get how Dr. Brown hasn't been banned for doctoring medical records but maybe the Texas medical board doesn't care if he lies to uSADA.

Not sure about the athletes. Should Ritz really be banned? He repeatedly said he didn't want to do it, was assured it was legal and still didn't make the team.

-rojo

PS.

And I've also learned Salazar had a bunch of no good women on his team. I thought he was a genius who could turn anyone into an Olympic champ.[/quote]

The "smoking gun" in the report just doesn't seem to be there. I was hoping to see much worse things. The troubling things are maybe already pointed out:

1) AlSal doesn't care about the health consequences of anything so long as it produces a quick running fix

2) Dr Brown (if records were changed) has no problem changing medical records.

We knew AlSal would do anything scientifically to get an edge, so that is not new. The notion that USADA was deceived b/c AlSal said his intentions were scientific makes USADA seem stupid as AlSal is a coach, not a scientist. Of course he wants to get some return for his athletes. I am just not sure how this is going to lead to any serious sanctions. For all the times in the report where people don't release medical records, as some have pointed out, HIPAA is such a big deal in the medical community, so why would people just knowingly give up these records? The fact they can't be subpoenaed makes me think there isn't any strong legal issue that is compelling them to do so.

People who don't like AlSal are always going to feel dirty about what he does, and honestly they should. Given all the news now about the Africans now doping, it just leaves a bad taste overall for running as it is now even harder to find people to root for because some will just simply take EPO or steroids and others like NOP will not take 'illegal' things, but are so far outside of the normal bounds of 'train hard, run fast' that their performances now just simply seem artificial. How can anyone feel good about Jenkins, Rowbury, Rupp, Hasay, etc now that it seems like a given that they too must be willing to be walking chemistry experiments? Very antithetical to the idea of the sport of running.

Re: Usadas speculation about Salazar giving Rupp athletic massages, as stated on Flotrack.

--In the late 70's a group of Oregon runners learned athletic massage from a teammate, and did athletic massage trades. AS could have learned sports massage way-y back.

--It's a total speculation by USADA to assume since AS had testo cream for himself that he automatically used it on others.

Yankees? wrote:

This this this. It seems like everybody, both in and outside of this forum, are seriously grasping for straws trying to implicate NOP with doping. Definitely not a fan of Salazar, but the sensationalism by both LRC dwellers and the media on this "case" is seriously getting a little absurd.

This is true of any team at the top. Look how much more scrutiny the Yankees, Patriots, Miami Heat a few years ago get. When you are on the top people want to drag you down. Media included because that's what sells papers/clicks. Hell the BBC spent millions and millions to try and get Farah and they have been left empty handed.

This has gone beyond rediculous. If it's so cut and dry Rojo why hasn't anything been done????[/quote]

You're arguing that Lance should have been left alone because nobody could actually prove how dirty he was? What a corrupt, morally empty argument.

Read it again, and while you're at it, read the research. When infusing with l-carnitine the way they did saturates the muscles in such a way that one only needs to infuse one time. After the initial infusion, one only needs to take smaller oral doses of l-carnitine to keep the levels elevated.

Look at the carbonate savings at 50% max all the way up to max workload. After loading the muscles in such a way your body burns fat at remarkable levels. In the process, carbohydrates are saved and less lactate accumulates. Even at max workload. This is huge.

Alberto certainly understood the research, this is why he was so excited and felt the need to ignore the rules and do the procedure. This would explain how Rupp and Farah developed their kicks.

rojo wrote:

Mine has been changed. Here they clearly are in the black area- not grey. Salazar asks USADA if he can do something, is told no and then apparently does it anyway and lies to his athletes about it.

Not sure about the athletes. Should Ritz really be banned? He repeatedly said he didn't want to do it, was assured it was legal and still didn't make the team.

-rojo

PS.

And I've also learned Salazar had a bunch of no good women on his team. I thought he was a genius who could turn anyone into an Olympic champ.

I'm not crazy Rojo. I'm not a doctor, you're not a doctor. Maybe they have a new method? The point in you need hard evidence to nail people.

Besides there are two conflicting narratives here that I think we ALL need to figure out:

1) NOP violated the spirit of pure competition by wading into the grey area for the past few years. They haven't resorted to 'real' PEDs at all but their reputation is forever tarnished because of their pursuit of chemical gains that 'feels wrong.'

This is a fair wait to think about it, but likely doesn't result in any sanctions.

2) NOP are finally cheaters because they broke the 50mL rule. However, they clearly didn't violate the spirit of the law here. That rule is solely to prevent dilutive transfusions to cover up PEDs. NOP infused >50mLs just to up some random metabolite levels and banned PEDs never came into play.

If this is true this is still a WADA violation and is presumably actionable.

However -- pinning someone on a 'letter of the law' violation sacrifices any moral authority we have. We want to prove they cheated. Infusing nutrients and violating an arbitrary limit placed for an entirely distinct reason isn't really delivering justice at all.

If the female 10k winner at NCAAs got busted for caffeine because she had a double shot of espresso before the race would you feel righteous? I think as observers we are obligated to always judge by the spirit of the law.

The infusion thing doesn't do it for me.