Casey Clinger Runs 8:57 at altitude to win Utah State Championships

25 seconds for the last 200m I cannot believe for a second. If that were confirmed, I would believe that these two guys are the best talents in the country by far.

zxvxzcv wrote:

25 seconds for the last 200m I cannot believe for a second. If that were confirmed, I would believe that these two guys are the best talents in the country by far.

That wasn't official, but two people near me hand timed it at 25

Casey Fanboy wrote:

zxvxzcv wrote:

25 seconds for the last 200m I cannot believe for a second. If that were confirmed, I would believe that these two guys are the best talents in the country by far.

That wasn't official, but two people near me hand timed it at 25

Has to be below 27, assuming the hand timers got the start point off--even by 10m which seems unlikely--, AND delayed reactions. No matter how anyone thinks about the 25 time, any time sub 27 that is very impressive, especially at altitude wrapping up a 3200m race.

zxvxzcv wrote:

25 seconds for the last 200m I cannot believe for a second. If that were confirmed, I would believe that these two guys are the best talents in the country by far.

Cooper teare?

zxvxzcv wrote:

25 seconds for the last 200m I cannot believe for a second. If that were confirmed, I would believe that these two guys are the best talents in the country by far.

Why would you find a finish like that hard to believe for a ~4:00 1600m runner? And why is everyone's knee jerk reaction to always think someone is lying? Is that what our world is now? Were you in the stands to watch it?

Official splits for Clinger and Hull for the final 800m:

Clinger: 67.80, 55.41

Hull: 67.89, 55.63

What do you mean by "altitude"? Something over 2000m?

lease wrote:

What do you mean by "altitude"? Something over 2000m?

Not quite. It's about 4500 feet

Attendee wrote:

Official splits for Clinger and Hull for the final 800m:

Clinger: 67.80, 55.41

Hull: 67.89, 55.63

Yup, even faster than I originally thought. That is incredible... 2:02 800m at the end of a 3200m... Absolutely insane

Casey Fanboy wrote:

Attendee wrote:

Official splits for Clinger and Hull for the final 800m:

Clinger: 67.80, 55.41

Hull: 67.89, 55.63

Yup, even faster than I originally thought. That is incredible... 2:02 800m at the end of a 3200m... Absolutely insane

Worth noting that A. Troutner in the 4A 3200m race closed in 63.5/60.37 (2:03.87) solo.

Casey Fanboy wrote:

lease wrote:

What do you mean by "altitude"? Something over 2000m?

Not quite. It's about 4500 feet

At that altitude it's at least worth 12 seconds

So Clinger probably ran around 8:45 which is completely believe and with how fast he closed, this is really impressive. I'm probably even more impressed with 2nd place. I can see Clinger and Teare both AA's in the NCAA 3k next year.

BYU Track is at 4627 ft. altitude. NCAA conversion calculator puts 8:57.90 at an 8:46.05. The race went out slow. 400m Splits (Source:

http://results.runnercard.com/Results/results.jsp?meetid=1001064

)

1 Clinger, Casey AMFK 8:57.89 1:07.54(1:07.54), 2:19.36(1:11.82), 3:31.21(1:11.85), 4:40.27(1:09.06), 5:46.71(1:06.44),

6:54.68(1:07.97), 8:02.48(1:07.80), 8:57.89(55.41)

2 Hull, Talon WEBR 8:57.95 1:06.19(1:06.19), 2:16.96(1:10.77), 3:27.16(1:10.20), 4:37.04(1:09.89), 5:45.21(1:08.16),

6:54.43(1:09.22), 8:02.32(1:07.89), 8:57.95(55.63)

3 Johns, McKay AMFK 9:01.26 1:06.26(1:06.26), 2:17.16(1:10.90), 3:27.79(1:10.63), 4:37.42(1:09.63), 5:46.69(1:09.28),

6:54.89(1:08.20), 8:02.64(1:07.76), 9:01.26(58.61)

4 Raff, Ryan LEHI 9:08.62 1:05.63(1:05.63), 2:16.70(1:11.07), 3:26.80(1:10.10), 4:36.76(1:09.97), 5:44.95(1:08.19),

6:54.23(1:09.28), 8:02.71(1:08.49), 9:08.62(1:05.91)

5 Parker, Patrick AMFK 9:08.69 1:06.83(1:06.83), 2:19.18(1:12.35), 3:31.31(1:12.13), 4:40.56(1:09.25), 5:48.26(1:07.70), 6:58.34(1:10.08),

8:07.18(1:08.84), 9:08.69(1:01.51)

coachmostert wrote:

BYU Track is at 4627 ft. altitude. NCAA conversion calculator puts 8:57.90 at an 8:46.05. The race went out slow. 400m Splits (Source:

http://results.runnercard.com/Results/results.jsp?meetid=1001064

)

1 Clinger, Casey AMFK 8:57.89 1:07.54(1:07.54), 2:19.36(1:11.82), 3:31.21(1:11.85), 4:40.27(1:09.06), 5:46.71(1:06.44),

6:54.68(1:07.97), 8:02.48(1:07.80), 8:57.89(55.41)

2 Hull, Talon WEBR 8:57.95 1:06.19(1:06.19), 2:16.96(1:10.77), 3:27.16(1:10.20), 4:37.04(1:09.89), 5:45.21(1:08.16),

6:54.43(1:09.22), 8:02.32(1:07.89), 8:57.95(55.63)

3 Johns, McKay AMFK 9:01.26 1:06.26(1:06.26), 2:17.16(1:10.90), 3:27.79(1:10.63), 4:37.42(1:09.63), 5:46.69(1:09.28),

6:54.89(1:08.20), 8:02.64(1:07.76), 9:01.26(58.61)

4 Raff, Ryan LEHI 9:08.62 1:05.63(1:05.63), 2:16.70(1:11.07), 3:26.80(1:10.10), 4:36.76(1:09.97), 5:44.95(1:08.19),

6:54.23(1:09.28), 8:02.71(1:08.49), 9:08.62(1:05.91)

5 Parker, Patrick AMFK 9:08.69 1:06.83(1:06.83), 2:19.18(1:12.35), 3:31.31(1:12.13), 4:40.56(1:09.25), 5:48.26(1:07.70), 6:58.34(1:10.08),

8:07.18(1:08.84), 9:08.69(1:01.51)

Wow I remember when the state meet was won 9:20 or so. Now 5 guys all ran under 9:10 with two under 9. Utah is stacked this year.

Who's coaching at Weber and Lehi?

Yeah but there's a huge difference between 50.x and 52.x pace (25.x and 26.x) so that's why people chimed in about him running 25 I could split 52.x easily in high school, I could do it indoors on a 200m track, but getting under 51 took more effort and talent, so that's why people are skeptical

Even 27 wrote:

Casey Fanboy wrote:

That wasn't official, but two people near me hand timed it at 25

Has to be below 27, assuming the hand timers got the start point off--even by 10m which seems unlikely--, AND delayed reactions. No matter how anyone thinks about the 25 time, any time sub 27 that is very impressive, especially at altitude wrapping up a 3200m race.

Fanboys gonna fanboy. Y'all think Hull is a 8:46 guy? LOL

Clinger isn't even top 5 in the country.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Casey Fanboy wrote:

Not quite. It's about 4500 feet

At that altitude it's at least worth 12 seconds

Says who? I mean that literally: what's the source for that much of a bump?

I've spent time in Denver ("the Mile-High City") and Flagstaff, and Flagstaff (at ~6900ft) was an *order of magnitude* tougher than Denver. It's hard for me to feature ~4500ft as really being "altitude," but I could well be wrong...and would appreciate a link to something that shows I am!

Geez, not sure what Casey is supposed to do. Think they targeted the 4x1600 at Arcadia. He runs a 4:02 split. Then comes back and goes 8:44 in the 3200. On what, May 6th ,up at BYU Invite, at 4600 feet, he runs a 4:06. I believe Ben Saarel had the record there at BYU track, at 4:07.95. Is there any record Casey hasn't smashed? I've coached against him. IMHO, he is a fierce competitor. He does what he sets out to do.

lease wrote:

NOP Skeptic wrote:

At that altitude it's at least worth 12 seconds

Says who? I mean that literally: what's the source for that much of a bump?

I've spent time in Denver ("the Mile-High City") and Flagstaff, and Flagstaff (at ~6900ft) was an *order of magnitude* tougher than Denver. It's hard for me to feature ~4500ft as really being "altitude," but I could well be wrong...and would appreciate a link to something that shows I am!

I'm not sure what the calculators/converters say, but compare Arcadia 3200 times of Utah runners to their Utah PBs. Almost across the board, their Arcadia times are 15-30sec faster.

lease wrote:

NOP Skeptic wrote:

At that altitude it's at least worth 12 seconds

Says who? I mean that literally: what's the source for that much of a bump?

I've spent time in Denver ("the Mile-High City") and Flagstaff, and Flagstaff (at ~6900ft) was an *order of magnitude* tougher than Denver. It's hard for me to feature ~4500ft as really being "altitude," but I could well be wrong...and would appreciate a link to something that shows I am!

I said it was about a 12 second difference putting Clinger at 8:45. The poster right after me said with the NCAA conversion for altitude that the time converted to 8:46 low. My estimate was based purely off the NCAA conversation tool and I was pretty much spot on. I'm not sure what the exact conversion should be as the NCAA doesn't discriminate on difference levels of altitude, however 4500 feet is definitely quite a bit of altitude.