NY Times Article on Nike Oregon Project implicates Ritz and Farah

USADA has issued a statement about today's article.https://twitter.com/usantidoping/status/865621313389330432

Mr. Obvious wrote:

rojo,

it seems like somebody is shopping this document around to every outlet they possibly can.

It seems you haven't seen it, based on your post above.

Why don't you see if you can't get your hands on it? Print the whole thing publicly.

I'd love to publish it. The document was hacked by Fancy Bears. They are the ones that got it out there I believe.

I wrote Fancy Bears when they first launched and told them I'd love to publish whatever they have. Never heard back.

NOP supertramp wrote:

Does Ritz just want publicity also?

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Publicity. Ritz clearly doesn't want it. He quietly picked up and moved home.

So it could be that he's just publicity shy or it could also be deep down he wonders if what he did was legitimate. I'd hate to have been in the group and been getting shots maybe a massage from Alberto and wondering, "I'd never broken 2:10:00 in the marathon until I joined the group and one day I ran 2:07:47. Was everything I was getting legit?"

I remember having a debate with someone about Ritz a few years ago. They thought the group was dirty. I said, "So if you think Rupp is dirty does that mean Ritz has to be as well?" They used the onion analogy and said no but also added something along the lines of, "I don't think he was dirty - certainly for most of his career, but then again, if your nike contract is up for renewal and you've got kids to support and Alberto gives you stuff, it should would be tempting to not ask questions as to what it is at a minimum or look the other way for a few months until you get reupped."

We don't want people feeling that type of pressure. It would be easy to massage androgel into an athlete without them knowing - just ask Justin Gatlin.

You're either uninformed about Catholic moral teaching, a bigot, or both.

Father Ped R. Ast wrote:

NOP supertramp wrote: Alberto obviously has a giant ego and does not care one bit about the health of his runners.

Common trait of Catholic entitlement. You don't have to be a decent or moral person so long as you put the Church above the law and everything else, as well as give an occasional confession to a mere mortal who purports to be an agent of God.

Terre earth wrote:

All you nike whiners need to just give up

Despite all these allegations nothing has ever been proven. GET OVER IT. Rupp is clean, so is Farah, and nothing you say will change that.

Jealous haters

Does Nike have you on salary or do they pay by the hour?

You work for a dirty company and seem to be OK with it. Kinda like Rupp and Farah.

Has anyone changed their opinion of Hasay after the latest revelations?

As for Ritz, he's always been one of my favorites and I'm sympathetic to him after reading his testimony in the article. It looks like he was very uncomfortable with Salazar's shenanigans and unlike Kara never publicly bashed anyone. It definitely makes me think his 5000 AR deserves an * but I'd like to believe he could still run close to that clean.

rojo wrote:

I remember having a debate with someone about Ritz a few years ago. They thought the group was firty. I said, "So if you think Rupp is dirty does that mean Ritz has to be as welt?" They used the onion analogy and said no but also added something along the lines of, "I don't think he was dirty - certainly for most of his career, but then again, if your nike contract is up for renewal and you'v got kids to support and Alberto gives you stuff, it should would be tempting to not ask questions as to what it is at a minimum or look the other way for a few months until you get reupped."

We don't want people feeling that type of pressure.

Agree that moral decisions often aren't as black and white as we'd like. But Ritz reportedly had doubts as of late 2011 and was still wearing the NOP singlet at Chicago 2013. Similar to Goucher reportedly having concerns in, what, 2009, and then sticking around another couple years.

That doesn't make them villains, but it's not especially heroic to do what you think is right only after getting all aspects of your life in order.

Can they stop giving us these articles related to certain allegations. It's either they're doping or they aren't doping

Exactly. modification of medical records is huge. In addition to Ritz and Goucher feeling pressure, i gotta wonder how much this had to do with mary cain's demise and departure from NOP. Here is an 18 year who likely told her parents what she is being told to take and mom and dad not happy with the situation.

Everyone knew what was going on long before Mary Cain. That includes Mary's parents.

Shall we not forget wrote:

Everyone knew what was going on long before Mary Cain. That includes Mary's parents.

Maybe. But look at the number of people on these boards who believe this is all just a witch hunt, jealousy, or sour grapes. mary thrived under his coaching, in HS. Their minds were probably made up about her joining NOP and when this stuff started surfacing, they figured "haters gonna hate".

I like many other lurkers go back to the Grote schiefer days, the resurrection of the sport Webb ritz etc. we've all suspected such but now it's there in black and white. Very very sad day for American running.

Phoenix Rising wrote:

sippin lean wrote:

Has anyone tried L-Carnitine? Curiosity is all that I have taken away from the article.

It sounds like the only way to get it to performance-enhancing levels is to go have it infused for over an hour in Dr. Brown's office.

I think it was reported that it was ultimately determined no to do anything so it ceased being used...

No way they were/are microdosing banned substances and skipped the Gouchers, Ritz etc., and it hasn't come out.

Get real.

So are some of you guys now accusing people with possibly legitimate medical disorders of taking THEIR MEDICATION?

i hope none of you guys ever get thyroid problems. Plus, the article even said these meds haven't been proven to help running.

It seems a lot of you are just frustrated that these guys are better runners based on talent and work ethic, and so just look for the drug excuse to escape your own failings.

These guys are better than you, drugs or not. And they aren't even on drugs. Rupp and Salazar are good catholics too.

Terre earth wrote:

Rupp and Salazar are good catholics too.

Well that does it. I totally 100% believe them both and they are scholars and gentlemen.

The Times is just the National Enquirer these days.

Looks like there is a little bit of new information in the article - thanks for sharing OP.

I don't have a lot of respect for the people in that group. I have no respect for their coach.

I kinda thought that from day one when Cain when went back home. It also reflects well on Webb that he didn't stay long under Al's coaching.

Speculate much? You (and I) have no idea why Cain left.

And as for Webb, ARE YOU SERIOUS? Although this is also speculation, I would venture to say that it's more likely he was fired because he was performing so poorly.

Treniere Moser was always a red flag. She was at the absolute nadir of her fairly long career, and then a complete resurrection after joining NOP. Makes WC team, comes down with mystery injury on eve of the meet... muck like Regina Jacobs, actually.