If Kipchoge's 2:00:26 dosen't count as any sort of record; does it count as a personal record?

In the US this won't count for anything, since it is can't be ratified as a record it isn't a pr. But in the rest of the world kipchoge can fairly claim that his pb is 2:00:25. It's a shame that eliud's monumental achievement won't be appreciated in the US just because they use inferior terminology

good wiggler wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote: Even Nike doesn't claim they make you faster, and they don't.

This just shows how ignorant you are. Try hearing what they actually say before spouting off your gibberish and stupidity.

https://www.si.com/edge/2017/03/07/nike-zoom-vaporfly-elite-sub-two-hour-marathon-attempt

"We wanted to make the shoes a lighter weight. We also wanted to make them return more energy and aerodynamic." "All of it works together in a really harmonious way to deliver a benefit." Benefit means faster times. More energy means faster times.

Yeah you read that, they literally never say it makes you faster.

All of the adaptations they made on the shoes provides a benefit. What benefit? It does not say anything about faster times.

All I know is that when Leo Manzano moves up to the marathon the 2 hour barrier will be crushed. You read it here first. #MexicanPower

I have a better question -

so you know how often runners start running faster overall once they see surprisingly good race result times they had not seen before - almost like it unleashed their mind to start realizing they can push harder?

Kipchoge as super-elite probably already has mental control we would only dream about - but he really didn't know he could touch 2 hour for sure.

Now that he has seen that, what if he can now produce 2:01-2:02 in regular road marathons on a regular basis? How awesome would that be?

And he seems darn determined to try sub2 again - I hate the nike dog-and-pony show but I definitely want him to have the chance again if he wants to try...

If a down hill mile counts as a PR than a marathon in spring shoes must count as well.

but why wrote:

I have a better question -

so you know how often runners start running faster overall once they see surprisingly good race result times they had not seen before - almost like it unleashed their mind to start realizing they can push harder?

Kipchoge as super-elite probably already has mental control we would only dream about - but he really didn't know he could touch 2 hour for sure.

Now that he has seen that, what if he can now produce 2:01-2:02 in regular road marathons on a regular basis? How awesome would that be?

And he seems darn determined to try sub2 again - I hate the nike dog-and-pony show but I definitely want him to have the chance again if he wants to try...

Kipchoge is a professional racer. Pay him to run 2:01-2:02 in a marathon, and perhaps he would. Otherwise, running to win is the rational choice.

douchelin^3 wrote:

If I physically ran any time you better believe I'm counting it as my PR.

This. He ran 26.2 in 200:25... with pacers? Who cares 🤷‍♂️

Yep, he does. And if anyone wants to try and disagree and take that time away from his is a real dick. Bottom line - he ran 26.2 miles in 2:00:26. Sure, he had all the advantages in the world given to him by Nike, WHICH WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SUB-2 ATTEMPT, but that's not really fair to hold that against him since this is the first time anything like this time trial has ever been done. Give him his PR, but I definitely don't think that the trial was world-record illegible. My idea is to hold a similar event to the sub-2 project, and have it be a legitimate world record attempt with a strong field pushing eachother, and $$ incentives to keep them on pace. Simple. All in all I really enjoyed the event, and I think it showed that sub-2 could be more within reach than previously thought.

Nope, not a "personal" record. It is obvious that Kipchoge, the person, ceased to exist as a human being during the sub-2 attempt and transcended to a higher plane of existence.

Nike gets the last laugh.

Kipchoge came close enough that no one can say sub-2 is impossible.

What appeared to be a crazy stunt, which is what I thought, came very close happening.

Support these on chin wrote:

The other support of course being the shoes.

Delusional

TrackCoach wrote:

Nike gets the last laugh.

Kipchoge came close enough that no one can say sub-2 is impossible.

What appeared to be a crazy stunt, which is what I thought, came very close happening.

I thought that 2 hours was way off, but my mind was anchored in a city marathon structure. When in reality if the track conditions (a big sheltered Olympic Stadium blocking the wind, perfectly flat course ie a track, pacers, light shoes/spikes) that helped set the 5 & 10k records were expanded to events over 20k and the half, the WRs for these events should be around 54:45 & 57:55. Which makes a 2 hour marathon seem more likely. Extrapolating these conditions to a marathon, as Nike just did, I got 2:00:28. Kipchoge did 3 seconds quicker. All Nike needed to do was turn was turn the marathon into a track race.

The shoes added very little.

Macdaddy wrote:

douchelin^3 wrote:

If I physically ran any time you better believe I'm counting it as my PR.

This. He ran 26.2 in 200:25... with pacers? Who cares

I agree. On his own feet = PR.

Who cares about the pacing strategy?

Runners with my club recently set up an unofficial 5,000 time trial for a guy on the team, with one runner leading him for 2k, another doing the next 2k, and him running alone the last K. (Nobody was able/willing to run 4k at his goal pace.)

Obviously it wouldn't be eligible for records, but of course he knows it is his PR.

It can count as a PR, but nothing more and nothing less.

Think like this.

There is an attempt by some NFL football player who wants to break the record for the longest distance for field goal.

The sponsor prepares a field with no wind (perhaps inside a dome), ideal temperature/ground condition, and no opponent.

With all help, the player makes the longest field goal ever.

Should this count as NFL record, with same legitimacy of other record which was actually done during the game?

It counts as a PR but not a record.

98% of marathon PRs are run with people in front of them the entire way.

It's only the sub 2:10 people that have to actually lead.

But for the typical, 2:35+ marathoner, more than likely, several people were in front of the them the entire race.

I don't think it should be a record, however I still think it should be listed on all time list in a similiar category to net downhill courses, like the boston 2011 times.

Yes, without question.

FKT.