Cheserek NOT the king

Hhgfhfgghj wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

13:0x

Good for him. so you are saying that he will improve on his 2014 best by more than 9 seconds in the next month.

What insight do you have?

...what would be good for Knight?

No, I am saying if a fully fit and healthy Ches ran 13:0x when fit, zero people would be surprised including you, because everyone knows he is capable of that time. I also believe he won't attempt this any time soon.

Ok, you are saying that Ches has the potential to run 13:0X in his career. For sure. True, Mead, Derrick, Jenkins, Hill... have run 13:0X. Why not Ches. He may do it one day or he may not.

However, Knight also has the potential to go 13:0x in his career (perhaps even 12:5x). Knight ran 13:17, which was great race for him. In a few years, he may be disappointed with a 13:17

We can't say right now that 13:24 is not a good race for Ches. Had Knight not been in that race, Ches would not only have run his fastest 5000m since 2014, but he would have also beaten the top collegian in that race by 10 seconds.

Why would you say that? wrote:

SloppyMeatHole wrote:

Ches once again packs it in when he thinks he is going to lose. Dropping 7 seconds on the last lap? That's pathetic

How do you make any sense?

Can you even run his last lap time?

Why do you even care?

You forgot to add, "Ches' high school could beat up your high school".

He quits when he realizes he might not win. The only time I can recall him competing to the end was the indoor mile this year.

Hhgfhfgghj wrote:

What did the man of 1000 excuses say after the race?

Nothing. The army of jock sniffers and SJWs that stick up for him will do all the talking. Ches is a fine runner, but when one considers he's likely 25 or 26 he's not quite so impressive as his worshippers would like to claim.

SloppyMeatHole wrote:

He quits when he realizes he might not win. The only time I can recall him competing to the end was the indoor mile this year.

That's actually similar to Kip Keino. If a guy really put a strong move on the great one and he couldn't match it he tended to just let go and then claim injury, out of shape, letting the guy win in front of his home crowd and so on. Not all the time, but Kip did it enough to make it noticeable.

Why would you say that? wrote:

SloppyMeatHole wrote:

Ches once again packs it in when he thinks he is going to lose. Dropping 7 seconds on the last lap? That's pathetic

How do you make any sense?

Can you even run his last lap time?

Why do you even care?

If he got dropped by 7 seconds I assume chesereks last lap was around 61-62, so it is more than likely that the previous poster can run that fast for one lap because that is a very easy 400 time to hit with no training at all.

French Dawg wrote:

[quote]Why would you say that? wrote:

If he got dropped by 7 seconds I assume chesereks last lap was around 61-62, so it is more than likely that the previous poster can run that fast for one lap because that is a very easy 400 time to hit with no training at all.

He ran his last lap in 64.9. So even easier.

People need to give Ches a break; the old duffer is like 39 or something...far past his prime and still running well for a man his age. Everyone can't be like Lagat or Meb. Age catches up with everyone, even monarchs.

Gotta get your facts strait wrote:

Half yellow wrote:

Why would Cheserek need to make excuses when his fanboys do it for him. Apparently, Knight is not training to peak at the NCAA. Didn't Cheserek skip Penn to be prepared for this 5k specifically?

He skipped Penn because he was getting over an injury. He is still getting over the injury.

Disclaimer: not a Ches fan, could care less. But you gotta get your facts strait, man!

Not true.

*straight

nope... he's pretty much the king. sorry bub

dum dee dum dum wrote:

Knight to King - checkmate.

Lol... That was a good one!!!

Congrats to Knight!

And yeah Ches is great but he is a bit overhyped (by Flotrack) he wasn't even close to the collegiate record. But yeah he could still win NCAA's again, only time will tell!

Ches is 30 anyway.

dude has only lost a handful of races and almost always to elite competition and it is always a big deal when he does lose think penn 4xmile or pre nats his junior year both were seen as 2 losses. Why? because he is the best there is right now

one race doesn't define him. Certainly not a non championship race

does him losing to justyn knight change the fact that he did did that stellar 5k DMR mile anchor double last winter beating insane competition in both races

This guy has the titles to prove it. He is the greatest collegiate runner of all time. No question

You cannot peak for cc, indoor, early outdoor, summer outdoor. Ches will be ready at nationals.......

Hhgfhfgghj wrote:

French Dawg wrote:

[quote]Why would you say that? wrote:

If he got dropped by 7 seconds I assume chesereks last lap was around 61-62, so it is more than likely that the previous poster can run that fast for one lap because that is a very easy 400 time to hit with no training at all.

He ran his last lap in 64.9. So even easier.

Yeah, you're right, it wouldn't take much effort for most boys that can run but I think most people on the forum probably can't do it. And so I doubt the sloppymeat could. I'll guess he's (SMH) in slightly better shape than the average middle aged American that jogs. So unlikely to break 1:05 which isn't bad but not good for a runner but as long as he's running as guess it's not all that bad. But having said all that probably doesn't matter to him

Toller2345 wrote:

... because he is the best there is right now

He certainly was. But is he right now?

Kerr has run 3:35.99 (faster than Ches has ever run) and destroyed him in the mile indoor (BTW: where is Kerr now. Didn't see a performance from him since his 3:35.99)

Knight has run 13:17 (faster than Ches has ever run), beat him at NCAA XC (and beat him by 7 sec yesterday)

At 10000m, Chelanga, Scott, Peterson and Mock have all run faster this year than Ches has ever run the 10000m

So, is he the best "right now"?

Yes. We call him the king due to his rings, not his times. The other guys you mentioned don't have enough rings to cover one hand. Cheserek has enough to cover two and some toes. Just stop. You would have hated MJ in the 90s and you know it.

Hhgfhfgghj wrote:

Toller2345 wrote:

... because he is the best there is right now

He certainly was. But is he right now?

Kerr has run 3:35.99 (faster than Ches has ever run) and destroyed him in the mile indoor (BTW: where is Kerr now. Didn't see a performance from him since his 3:35.99)

Knight has run 13:17 (faster than Ches has ever run), beat him at NCAA XC (and beat him by 7 sec yesterday)

At 10000m, Chelanga, Scott, Peterson and Mock have all run faster this year than Ches has ever run the 10000m

So, is he the best "right now"?

Ok, we can continue this discussion one month from now.

Toller2345 wrote:

dude has only lost a handful of races and almost always to elite competition and it is always a big deal when he does lose think penn 4xmile or pre nats his junior year both were seen as 2 losses. Why? because he is the best there is right now

one race doesn't define him. Certainly not a non championship race

does him losing to justyn knight change the fact that he did did that stellar 5k DMR mile anchor double last winter beating insane competition in both races

This guy has the titles to prove it. He is the greatest collegiate runner of all time. No question

Twenty-something Kenyan competing in the US with PRs over 13 and over 28. He's only a story because he went the NCAA route and not pro.