Official Sub-2 Live Discussion Thread and Prediction Thread

I'm so fired up to get a pair of these sneakers - in 100% going sub 4:30:00 at Chicago in the fall!

So good for the sport.

Their initial stance was, and I quote:

1. 'So what?'

and

2. Tonight we are rooting against you.

Tonight's stance, and I paraphrase:

1. Hahahahaha I was right.

Thanks, fellas.

Am I right in thinking/reading, that he was using specially designed 'spring' shoes?

2:30 minutes faster than the WR. Where did these 150 seconds come from?

30 seconds: A course two meters shorter than what the athletes actually run in Berlin (because they don't have a line showing the perfect tangent).

30 seconds: bicycle aid stations

75 seconds: wind breaking and mental support from a pacing car and pack of runners.

15 seconds: perfect weather conditions

Which means it's about the same performance as Kimetto's 2:02:57. A brilliant performance. But sadly it will be lost to history because it was just a publicity stunt with different rules than a real marathon.

Now, Nike shill boys, will you please go back to your campus in beaverville?

G^3 wrote:

Your prediction will be way off and you surely can't be a Guru of running.

The Guru Matt James wrote:

My prediction is 1:59:54, unless Nike marketing decides that it's better to run 2:01 and crack 2hrs at a later date to maximize the hype, or if it is too hot.

Hmm, how close was your prediction, bro?

Facts and propaganda wrote:

2:30 minutes faster than the WR. Where did these 150 seconds come from?

30 seconds: A course two meters shorter than what the athletes actually run in Berlin (because they don't have a line showing the perfect tangent).

30 seconds: bicycle aid stations

75 seconds: wind breaking and mental support from a pacing car and pack of runners.

15 seconds: perfect weather conditions

Which means it's about the same performance as Kimetto's 2:02:57. A brilliant performance. But sadly it will be lost to history because it was just a publicity stunt with different rules than a real marathon.

Now, Nike shill boys, will you please go back to your campus in beaverville?

where do you get your numbers?

Amazing run! I think most people agree the shoes didn't really make a difference and it was all about the perfect pacing. He could of ran 2:00:25 in Boost or Hokas as long as they fitted well.

If Nike really wanted to optimal conditions I feel like they could of could of made a 2k lap in a climate controlled dome with a couple lanes of mondo or tartan surface.

Social Faux Paw wrote:

LM wrote:

No. Don't agree at all.

Beyond that, like everything, it's possible Kipchoge dopes. History suggests this is by far the most probable option.

It's also possible he doesn't. We don't have enough of a way to know what's possible. Kipchoge could also be a true freak that is legit 1-1.5% better than anyone else

Lance's 7 straight Tour de France victories says he does way harder things than Kipchoge ever will.

lol. That was a great troll. Let's see you do that 7 more times.

So can someone paste or paraphrase this Rojo tweet?

rollerskates wrote:

did i miss something or why is everyone on rojo's d*** for this? I thought the consensus opinion was that this whole thing is stupid? I was routing for them to fail the entire time and was surprised when i checked LRC and everyone in this thread was all hyped on it. A week ago no one seemed to share that opinion...

You have the front and back mixed up. On the A$$ for displeasure, on the D for support. Nobody is on his D except for Hardloper, Wigins and SFP

So why is nobody else talking about the distance? Was the inside line the exact distance, or was it one meter inside the exact distance? If it was the latter, then he ran 100 meters shorter than the actual marathon distance. Why is this information so hidden?

Facts and propaganda wrote:

2:30 minutes faster than the WR. Where did these 150 seconds come from?

30 seconds: A course two meters shorter than what the athletes actually run in Berlin (because they don't have a line showing the perfect tangent).

30 seconds: bicycle aid stations

75 seconds: wind breaking and mental support from a pacing car and pack of runners.

15 seconds: perfect weather conditions

Which means it's about the same performance as Kimetto's 2:02:57. A brilliant performance. But sadly it will be lost to history because it was just a publicity stunt with different rules than a real marathon.

Now, Nike shill boys, will you please go back to your campus in beaverville?

Deanouk wrote:

Am I right in thinking/reading, that he was using specially designed 'spring' shoes?

Did you just step away from your job commenting on Coe videos on YouTube?

I find it very, very sad that Nike took away the on-screen clock during the final few hundred meters. It was like they were embarrassed of the man's performance. He gave it his all, a phenomenal performance, and Nike was too childish to even let the world see his time.

Nike is run by some very, very small men.

Facts and propaganda wrote:

2:30 minutes faster than the WR. Where did these 150 seconds come from?

30 seconds: A course two meters shorter than what the athletes actually run in Berlin (because they don't have a line showing the perfect tangent).

30 seconds: bicycle aid stations

75 seconds: wind breaking and mental support from a pacing car and pack of runners.

15 seconds: perfect weather conditions

Which means it's about the same performance as Kimetto's 2:02:57. A brilliant performance. But sadly it will be lost to history because it was just a publicity stunt with different rules than a real marathon.

Now, Nike shill boys, will you please go back to your campus in beaverville?

Don't forget the advantages of perfect pacing. In A real race they would be jockeying back-and-forth wasting energy.

now the real question is what does this mean for the sport. did all the aid really help? and if not, does that mean kipchoge really is a 2:01ish marathonet and we ARE close to seeing a legit 2hr marathon?

the only thing that doesnt sit well with me is the springplate shoes. everything else im ok with being in a legit race (if the goal is full on time trial). i wouldnt want all marathons to be this way.

who hasnt grabbed aid (oranges, water, sponges, etc) from unofficial aid stations at marathons? its pretty normal and i think we should encourage people to be able to get the fluids and whatnot they need to perform their best.

as for pacers. a lot of big marathons hace them and have tjem cut the wind, they just do a crappy job sometimes. this was more disciplined yet still not perfect. i would have gone with an electronic car at perfect pace.

isn't 75 sec for breaking the wind a bit conservative?

right. so anyone who runs behind a pacer is cheating.. lol. that breaks a good bit of wind you know. less than a car but a car honestly isnt that much more than several people in front of you.

josh20025 wrote:

The best part of this event for me was the sense of unity. Pacers, athletes, physiologists, announcers, and viewers gathered, cheered, and watched three people attempt the impossible. It wasn't a race between individuals, it was the effort of a group, and it was inspiring to see people like Bernard Lagat cheering on Eliud during the race or Eluid hugging fans and members of the Nike team after it finished.

Maybe the event was controversial, but it represented why I love to run: the common singular purpose of running fast.

This ^^^ I couldn't agree more. I can't think of another support where you get that kind of unity among people who are supposed to be competitors. As a lowly hobby jogger I knew this kind of comraderie existed among recreational runners but to see it at the elite level was special.

hahah you did well played sir