IAAF Set to Wipe all pre 2005 World Records from the Books

I agree with Renato that it would be much better to say a new era "starts now" than to say "a new era started 12 years ago." I generally like this idea but I'm not convinced that the new era should start just yet. For this to work, people need to believe that we are actually in a different era with regards to PED testing. There are still some non-compliant countries and we know that corruption has been a problem even very recently. It would be better to wait and build up some faith in the system before trying something a reset like this.

I don't need to define anything, I'm simply relaying information. I included my sources.

You literally have no grounds upon which to disagree with WADA's 10% figure. So whether you agree or disagree is totally irrelevant.

Daniel Komen can't catch a break lately

test2 wrote:

I agree with Renato that it would be much better to say a new era "starts now" than to say "a new era started 12 years ago." I generally like this idea but I'm not convinced that the new era should start just yet. For this to work, people need to believe that we are actually in a different era with regards to PED testing. There are still some non-compliant countries and we know that corruption has been a problem even very recently. It would be better to wait and build up some faith in the system before trying something a reset like this.

That would be better than this proposal.

I'm just not sure we will ever be at a place where there will be confidence in the testing.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

I'm just not sure we will ever be at a place where there will be confidence in the testing.

I'm not sure either. Testing may get better but PEDs will also get better. Which trend will win is hard to say but we may be at an all time low in confidence in WADA and the IAAF right now making this a pretty bad time to try something like this.

The modern Talibans want to destroy Buddha, remove flags, hide statues in storehouses, and now to forcibly "forget" track and field records. We already time-stamp records and honor fast times even if they aren't world records. Just because the rest of the world is in the grip of intolerant fundamentalism doesn't mean the track and field community should follow. Track and field fans are smart enough to recognize a great performance in the present, and to discount tainted world records from the past. We need one record book that includes all great performances, tainted and untainted. We used to laugh at societies that erased history to achieve politically correct outcomes. We shouldn't emulate them now for the sake of ideological purity.

That does seem more fair to me

notrump wrote:

We used to laugh at societies that erased history to achieve politically correct outcomes. We shouldn't emulate them now for the sake of ideological purity.

You see resetting records as an Orwellian Ministry of Truth rewriting of history? I hadn't looked at it like that.

I agree with Renato. If CAS said 4% gain in performance from testosterone was 'not significant' in the women's 800m for the intersex athletes then there's no way they'll let this be enacted.

I understand why they are using 2005 as the benchmark, but is it not their own fault if they didn't store samples before that date? Surely they could also say anyone who has passed all tests taken back until 1989 could also stay on the books.

Sure some might slip through the cracks, but I'd guess all the record holders have taken a test and at least passed it if clean.

PS. Why didn't they reset the Hep and Dec WRs to the new javelin? Kluft 7032 would come in regardless for post-1988. They could also leave NRs up to national bodies, e.g. UK and Cram 1985.

YouYouYou wrote:

I've said for years they should do this, but I said they should use 1989, the year random testing was introduced, as the threshold.

How did they bring in testing? I've read that Ed Moses was behind starting it in the first place. Guessing it started in a few countries and increased gradually?

There were still things like China 93/97, BALCO 2003 etc. so before the IAAF started storing samples in 2005 it was obviously still lacking/underfunded/a marginal effort in random/OOC and medal winner testing.

Would all the WR holders have undertaken testing between 1989 and 2005?

I thought it was April Fool's for a second instead of May Day... 😢

Has anyone gotten a comment from Caster Semenya on this decision? I really need help making sense of what's happening 😫

deanoisgod wrote:

Radcliffe is a hypocrite bitching about clean athletes 'like her' being punished in the attempt to remove cheaters, after she led the calls for every athlete in Russia to be banned.

This. Height of hypocrisy. How does that collective punishment medicine taste, Paula? If there was a chance a few Russian athletes (say an Elena Yisinbaeva or a Sergey Shubenkov) were clean, then the blanket ban is one of the injustices of the century - on par with bombing an entire village to get at a few terorists.

El Keniano wrote:

deanoisgod wrote:

Radcliffe is a hypocrite bitching about clean athletes 'like her' being punished in the attempt to remove cheaters, after she led the calls for every athlete in Russia to be banned.

This. Height of hypocrisy. How does that collective punishment medicine taste, Paula? If there was a chance a few Russian athletes (say an Elena Yisinbaeva or a Sergey Shubenkov) were clean, then the blanket ban is one of the injustices of the century - on par with bombing an entire village to get at a few terorists.

there was state-sponsored use of PEDs in Russia. If hundreds of Russian athletes were doping and only poor clear Isinbayeva was collateral damage, that's acceptable. Nothing in this process is perfect.

Renato Canova wrote:

Which solution ? To start, from 1st Jan 2018, and with the new rules, a NEW LIST OF WR, considering the best performance in every event at the end of the year as FIRST RECORD (not only for World, but also for Areas Records and National Records in every Country).

I would say 2020. Rename it as a "Galaxy Record" so we can be more inclusive. When I look back at the pre-2005 WRs, I'm guessing that at least 60% of them are suspicious. I feel bad for the ones who are actually legitimate because those will get tossed aside.

World records in Olympic weightlifting have been completely erased twice.

“The sport has been dogged by drugs controversies and as a result, the weight classes have been tweaked down the years in an attempt to scrap dubious records and start afresh. The last time the sport implemented such a change was in 2000 ahead of the Sydney Games.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics_2004/weightlifting/history/default.stm

“The International Weightlifting Federation restructured its weight classes in 1993 and 1998, nullifying earlier records.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_Olympic_weightlifting

It is a certainty that all world records in Olympic weightlifting will be erased again sometime in the future.

Athletics has the exact same problem with doping.

All world records in Athletics have to be erased.

People - this isn't that hard.

Old non-tested records are listed as "All-time Record"

Test records are lists as "World Records"

There are all kinds of records shown on the tube and interwebs.. this can be done too.

And for the "woe is me... cheaters always win"... not if they store all the sample to be retested any time. That is what the committee decided and it works for me.

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i put it to you that track is dirtier now than ever

picked 2005 as year for obvious reasons , ABP .

but i could also pick this year when IGF-1 lr3

started to hit track in visible way . do they mock .

track changed and speed came to the forefront ,

just look at times had , powell ,gay , liu xiang then by 2008 many more

you know that this is the reality just look at sprints , different animal .

and now in most events .

like epo era times got faster and didnt know how or why until

later found out the culprit and the mechanics of it .

similarly now with this peptide ,only this time wont come public ., why

as too much money to be lost , stars depend on it , future stars to be made in many sports . Never been as good a ped and a more controlled one.

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why change dirty records when current one just as dirty or even more

dibaba or recent womens marathon ,

at moment planting seeds in mind , so will accept easily

they are maybe deliberatly trying to pull an order out of chaos trick .

destroy track , already have wit women's 800m , and when people fed up

then they will come up with their solution , some other variant .dope version

What a joke. Implying that now the sport is clean and the past was dirty is a

total lie. WADA's evidence can't pass a regular legal scrutiny. How can the IAAF use it to suspend people.

Its the only way to make more money. At the end of the day as with the current "green lane system", WRs will come with a heavy price. WADA/IAAF wants to control how Designer Steroids are distributed.