IAAF Set to Wipe all pre 2005 World Records from the Books

800ftw. wrote:

No Jeff, they don't contradict one another. On the whole, the dopers are ahead of the testers. Some get caught, often due to tip offs or being unlucky with their timing, or stupidity.

Then they're not always ahead.

It's insane that this is actually an idea that is being talked about.

Punishing people back in time for something they could not do anything about....this is N-Korea stuff, what next? Seb Coe will back up the idea that he actually has the marathon world record, like the dictator in N-Korea does....this is just retarded

Jeff Wigand wrote:

800ftw. wrote:

No Jeff, they don't contradict one another. On the whole, the dopers are ahead of the testers. Some get caught, often due to tip offs or being unlucky with their timing, or stupidity.

Then they're not always ahead.

Really, your strange pedantic behaviour is just a waste of bandwidth.

Lauren Fleshman is all oiselle-weepy about it on twitter, presumably because Paula endorsed her Picky Bars at the London marathon. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

Glad people are starting to awaken and question everything

too how corrupt iaaf / wada are .

from testers and labs to coaches to managers to seb coe himself .

that maybe even they are running the doping from behind scenes themselves

which they clearly are ., thru network of doctors ,coaches , managers ,nike etc

to various agenda's push like geo-politics with russia

or pushing transgender issue and especially in their tranny doped 800m 's

i think they are up to usual games here , testing water to what people think

paula plays controlled opposition , seb takes the moral high ground.

all acting , a charade . freemasons or intelligense agents the both of them

why such expert liars .

freemasons are running athletics now ,must control everything in lives

yes we are cleaning it up but under surface the times get faster

it doesnt add up unless consider they dont want too.

7:53.17 Brahim Boulami Steeplechase

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crocodile tears wrote:

Lauren Fleshman is all oiselle-weepy about it on twitter, presumably because Paula endorsed her Picky Bars at the London marathon. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

Everyone associated with Oiselle is edgy and progressive and athlete-focused until it's convenient not to be--notably when they can get the corrupt status quo folks to boost their image and ego.

This won't solve anything. This means Bolts WR will stand. If you watch Bolts progression he went from barely keeping up with leaders in 2006-2007 to completely smashing WRs in 2008. This is the same progression or EVEN FASTER than Flo Jo. Somehow people rationalize it as "He's just big". Let me tell you I have coached many athletes through the years and have found no correlation to size and speed. Big does not equal faster. If anything the really tall sprinters have had a slight disadvantage getting out of the blocks. The drug users have doctors and chemists too. They will always be one step ahead.

I have it on good authority that the Oiselle social media intern posts negative stuff about her own company on here. Why? Because women already think that LRC is filled with misogynistic pigs, and it just strengthens that belief and makes them rally around Oiselle and buy mure clothes that make their breasts look perky.

Classic false flag maneuver.

Concerned fan wrote:

What happens in 20 years when the athletes have to go through more stringent doping controls than today? Do today's records get wiped? Do we repeat this process forever? How about this -- we make a new kind of record, reset it every year, and call it the "World Leader."

Wiping the records is an admission they cannot guarantee their validity. Not then, not in the future. From now on, when a record is set, people will think rightly like you: this is just temporary, until he/she gets caught or the slate is wiped again. Basically, they undermine the notion of records and admit they have failed. Now, what makes them think we're going to believe we've just entered a new, clean era?

Guaranteeing a clean sport is a hard task, and they were not even trying. But they're supposed to pretend the sport is clean, or almost clean. It is weird for them to undermine their position even more.

false flag wrote:

breasts look perky.

Some Old Time Coach wrote:

This won't solve anything. This means Bolts WR will stand. If you watch Bolts progression he went from barely keeping up with leaders in 2006-2007 to completely smashing WRs in 2008.

WC silver = barely keeping up.

800ftw. wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Then they're not always ahead.

Really, your strange pedantic behaviour is just a waste of bandwidth.

You should know they're not always ahead. They're not even mostly ahead. The all-time lists in the women's field events shows how much the game has shifted.

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Some Old Time Coach wrote:

If you watch Bolts progression he went from barely keeping up with leaders in 2006-2007 to completely smashing WRs in 2008.

He ran 19.75 and won the silver medal at the world championships in 200m in 2007. That's barely keeping up?

Jeff Wigand wrote:

800ftw. wrote:

Really, your strange pedantic behaviour is just a waste of bandwidth.

You should know they're not always ahead. They're not even mostly ahead. The all-time lists in the women's field events shows how much the game has shifted.

As the article I posted stated, WADA believes over 10% of elite athletes dope. Call me when they catch 10% of elite athletes doping.

The dopers are generally ahead. I have no idea why you are being so pedantic about the wording of this WADA backed statement. This isn't court, stop acting like a lawyer.

Nulla poena sine lege. - Whatever will happen, nobody should break away from proven principles of law. Even if some performances remain questionable.

One can decide for the future.

I think this a very unfair idea, and personally think never can become active, and legal, if somebody goes to CAS.

There are, of course, WR under doping (if never there was a new record in throwing or in the Women events, apart some of them, after 1988, there is a reason...), but there are WR achieved before 2005 from clean athletes, who can't pay because there were not the same rules that somebody wants to put today. This is clearly something unfair, because is not fault of the athletes if WADA destroyed their samples before 2005, so there is no more the possibility to test them again.

Which solution ? To start, from 1st Jan 2018, and with the new rules, a NEW LIST OF WR, considering the best performance in every event at the end of the year as FIRST RECORD (not only for World, but also for Areas Records and National Records in every Country).

In this case, we can clearly divide the athletic history in two periods :

the period with inadequate antidoping controls, and the period "under clear and scientific controls".

This can be the only way for cleaning athletics without creating unfair situations. There are no Countries where the law can be retroactive, and, since there is no any possibility to have the FULL PICTURE of all the previous WR (possibility to retest the samples, possibility to have the results of the OOC tests, that were different from today, possibilities to have same results using the machines of 30 years ago and the machines of today, etc.), to decide which record is clean and which record is not clean (with proves, not only looking at rumors and opinions) can't be a FACT, but something based on suspicions and without any evidence.

Swimming had the same problem, after the period of the "rubberized costumes", when every championship had WR in any event. At that time, the international Federation banned the costumes, but maintained the WR achieved in the same period and with this type of "technologic doping".

Now, after few years, the most part of those record have been already bettered, because the improvement in any event is very fast.

In athletics, we can't have the same situation, since technique and preparation are already more close to the limit, and there is no too much room of improvement. For that reason, I think that we can only look at two solutions :

a) All the current WR are still valid, and we can wait, in some event, some year for bettering them under the new rules

b) We begin with something completely new, starting the new chronology for WR, AR and NR from the best result, in any event, at the end of 2017 or 2018.