if you actually read his post, he said starting point. that was actually my time freshman year!
if you actually read his post, he said starting point. that was actually my time freshman year!
To me, running the marathon is practically an entirely different sport from the 1K. I ran 2:26 for the 1K (likely could have run considerably faster given 800 PR) but the idea of a sub 3 hr marathon on a mental level is just another ballpark.
For me as a 45 years old runner I think the sub-3 marathon is easier. I have been focused on marathon training running 3000-4000 miles a year for the past 3 years. I have not run a 1K time trial but have run a 4:54 mile on the track and have done 1K repeats averaging 3:10 per 1K so I think I could probably go sub-3 for a 1K. I can comfortably run sub-3 marathons now having run 2 2:42:xx marathons in the past 2 years.
There's no one size fits all answer to this as it depends on the individual athlete. A long distance type might find a 3 hr. marathon much easier than the 3 min. k. When I was competing, mostly at 1500m but also running a few marathons, I can say this -- the 3 hr. marathon was a much harder target to crack than the 3 min. k, which I probably ran in most of my 1500 races. The 3 hr. marathon took me about 5 'thons to crack. There were times I didn't think I'd get there but I eventually did, ironically by racing on the track again which I'd abandoned for the roads for a few years.
Unless I've just finished a hard session or race in the past hour or so, I could run a sub-3 1k at any time on any day. You could wake me up at 4AM and give me 20 minutes to prepare and warm up and I could bust out a sub-3 1k. I require a lot of preparation and rest as well as recovery afterwards to be able to run a sub-3 marathon.
Bruin1996 wrote:
For me as a 45 years old runner I think the sub-3 marathon is easier. I have been focused on marathon training running 3000-4000 miles a year for the past 3 years. I have not run a 1K time trial but have run a 4:54 mile on the track and have done 1K repeats averaging 3:10 per 1K so I think I could probably go sub-3 for a 1K.
You would easily run sub 3min for one kilometer as this is almost the same pace as a 4:54 mile. So it seems easier for you to run the 1 kilometer because you could cut your mileage to one third or so and eventually lose the ability to run a sub 3 h marathon but could keep the ability for a fastish 1k.
People who started as slowish joggers in their 30s or so and get pretty good (i.e. sub 3 h) at the marathon have often a poor understanding of middle distances, simply because they never trained for them. And because 3:30 interval pace feels hard they think 2:59 1k would be impossibly fast. But almost everyone who can manage a sub 3h marathon needs at the very same time ca. 38:00 10k ability. And almost everyone with the ability for the latter can *when training appropriately* break 3 min. in the 1k, certainly most males up to their 40s (who can already run that 38 min 10k). But one would have to do such training (fast intervals, drills etc.), not expect to run it from marathon preparation.
The sub 3 min 1k is also much easier because the mileage needed would be so low compared to the sub 3 h marathon and the injury risk much lower (despite some faster more "dangerous" workouts). Sure, this no longer holds after a certain age or for slow women but will be true for many close enough in fitness and ability to try to achieve either mark.
Not even a question. Out of season as a HS guy i could drop a 2:59 1k anytime, anywhere. A sub 3 marathon would be something I’d need a year of training to do
Common Man wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
a 3:00 1k is more difficult than most think. It is 2:24 800m pace. That is good speed for most of the old people on here.
Even for kids, I find that 3:00 is the starting point for boys who may be decent distance runners, during winter track. For girls, it is a very high achievement. Some years, no girls reach it, other years 2 or 3 girls reach that time. That is in a league that covers a population of 1,000,000 people.
I would say that runners who break 3:00 are typically 18:30 5k runners, give or take 15 seconds.
Lol. Your team must suck if you consider 3:00 800 is a sign of a decent runner. Wow.
1000.
2.47 marathon, 3.05k pb. both while 24 year old male. Granted I trained for marathon and haven't 'Raced' shorter than a mile.
I'm a pretty slow twitch guy.
2.47 marathon, 3.05k pb. both while 24 year old male. Granted I trained for marathon and haven't 'Raced' shorter than a mile.
I'm a pretty slow twitch guy.
2.47 marathon, 3.05k pb. both while 24 year old male. Granted I trained for marathon and haven't 'Raced' shorter than a mile.
I'm a pretty slow twitch guy.
matt26runs wrote:
2.47 marathon, 3.05k pb. both while 24 year old male. Granted I trained for marathon and haven't 'Raced' shorter than a mile.
What's your 5k best? You would almost certainly run sub 3 min. 1k if you dedicated 6-8 weeks to speed and anaerobic conditioning and ran a race. Basically repeats/intervals around goal pace, i.e. 35-36 200m, 70-72 sec. laps. People cannot expect to run their best possible middle distance without some specific preparation. They run some 1000m repeats in their 3k pace and of course it feels hard so they think that about 20 secs. faster would be impossible. But it is only ONE all out 1000m and one can prepare this.
As a late 30s late to life runner who just cracked 3 in the 'thon this year, I'm cracking up seeing all these posts from people incredibly faster than me saying what a daunting task a sub 3 marathon is.
Most posters are ignoring that there are females, (90 to 110) pounds who cannot under any circumstance race 800 metres faster than 2:25. Said females have no shot at all of racing sub-3 minutes, 1000 metres. Some females, (2:25 to 2:30) 800m can race sub-3 hour Marathon. For the overall population, sub-3 hour Marathon is easier.
matt26runs wrote:
2.47 marathon, 3.05k pb. both while 24 year old male. Granted I trained for marathon and haven't 'Raced' shorter than a mile.
I'm a pretty slow twitch guy.
damn-i thought I was slow twitch...same marathon time 10 years after high school...ran 1500m 4:21 when I was 15--I couldn't ever run a lap faster than 60 though;
for anyone under 30 the 1k is way easier in my opinion; regardless of talent, you still have to do some work--ie. long runs to run under 3...
enquiring minds wrote:
What do you think is easier, running under 3 minutes for 1 km or under 3 hours for the marathon? I feel like it would take better fitness or ability to run that fast for 1000 m but overall would be more demanding to do a marathon.
I think it depends on what sort of runner you are. I ran 8:45 for 3000m with a 60 last 400m, and raced again three days later (so three straight 1000m at 2:55).
I did eventually run a 2:48.xx marathon and it took me weeks to get over it.
Based on mile time, I could have still run under 3:00 for 1000m in my early 50s, but I would have struggled to run a 3:15 marathon.
So for me 1000m in 3 minutes, way, way easier.
Jo72 wrote:
matt26runs wrote:
2.47 marathon, 3.05k pb. both while 24 year old male. Granted I trained for marathon and haven't 'Raced' shorter than a mile.
What's your 5k best? You would almost certainly run sub 3 min. 1k if you dedicated 6-8 weeks to speed and anaerobic conditioning and ran a race. Basically repeats/intervals around goal pace, i.e. 35-36 200m, 70-72 sec. laps. People cannot expect to run their best possible middle distance without some specific preparation. They run some 1000m repeats in their 3k pace and of course it feels hard so they think that about 20 secs. faster would be impossible. But it is only ONE all out 1000m and one can prepare this.
Thanks for the tips buddy! I took up running post school/college so haven't had any coaching or opportunities for middle distance racing.
My 5k best is 16.53
You'd probably break 3:00 min right away if someone paced you perfectly and you just had to stick to his heels. You really just need a few weeks of speedy units with shorter intervals in the goal pace to get used to that speed. If you can run sub 17 5k you certainly have enough speed already, otherwise ~3:23 5k pace would be impossible.