Clayton Murphy beats Johnny Gregorek by .09 in Drake 1500. 3:41.75 to 3:41.84

racely wrote:

SeenItBefore wrote:

All I know is Murphy ran the World Relays on Sunday, then won the road mile a few days ago and then won today while training through the week. He must be exhausted. This type of thing has helped some 1500 guys build strength and it has worn out others.

It will be interesting to see where Murphy is in a year or two. I think he and his coach are looking at this season as purely for development even though the World Champs are this summer. I think they are looking at them as a bonus while trying to continue this guy's amazing development. Centro is still stronger but by 2020 Murphy will be eating his lunch.

In the meantime, we need Murphy, Brazier, Berian, Centro Jr, etc in a 1000m and let them take a crack at the toughest AR on the books.

that wohlhuter record is beastly. Murphy and centro actually faced each other last summer at 1000m and murphy won in a 220 kickers race.

Not the next US miler wrote:

Anyone else not impressed? Narrowly beats a 3:36 guy nobody outside of the US has heard of.

Centro would destroy Murphy.

Really? Nobody recognizes the name Gregorek? Did you fall off the turnip truck yesterday?

know your track history wrote:

Not the next US miler wrote:

Anyone else not impressed? Narrowly beats a 3:36 guy nobody outside of the US has heard of.

Centro would destroy Murphy.

Really? Nobody recognizes the name Gregorek? Did you fall off the turnip truck yesterday?

Not outside the US. Sorry, American distance running is a small place. 3:36 guys are a dime a dozen.

usnspecialist wrote:

racely wrote:

In the meantime, we need Murphy, Brazier, Berian, Centro Jr, etc in a 1000m and let them take a crack at the toughest AR on the books.

that wohlhuter record is beastly. Murphy and centro actually faced each other last summer at 1000m and murphy won in a 220 kickers race.

- Wow ... good call!

- I like Murphy's approach to the sport .... anytime (good WX, Bad WX, morning, night), anywhere (roads, indoors, outdoors, altitude), any distance (3K, mile, 1500, 1000, 800) ... building resilience!

In my opinion, the true test of a great miler is consistency over a long period of time and ability to run diverse types of races. It seems that 800 guys are more flash in the pan types that will be relevant for 4 years and hopefully time their peak to coincide with an Olympic cycle. What makes Centro great is that he's been getting incrementally better at an elite level for 6 going on 7 years now. It appears that this year will be the time for him to chase big times and fast races. You can point to Murphy's prodigious bronze at the Olympics as a sign of future success but Centro did the same thing in the 1500 as a college junior, it just happened to be worlds not the olympics.

Murphy has all the signs, but he hasn't been relevant for more than a year. Give it some time. For all we know he could have just hit his ceiling and will stop improving leaps and bounds.

"Murphy has all the signs, but he hasn't been relevant for more than a year. Give it some time. For all we know he could have just hit his ceiling and will stop improving leaps and bounds."

- What do you define as relevant? Olympic Silver, WR Gold, consistent improvement over multiple distances ... C'mon Man!

Lickety Split wrote:

"Murphy has all the signs, but he hasn't been relevant for more than a year. Give it some time. For all we know he could have just hit his ceiling and will stop improving leaps and bounds."

- What do you define as relevant? Olympic Silver, WR Gold, consistent improvement over multiple distances ... C'mon Man!

Well i was kinda referring to staying power instead of being a flash in the pan. A lot of guys have had a great year and got up for a medal when they weren't favored to. Especially in the 800, prodigious talents sometimes just stay as that. Both Amos and Kitum haven't surpassed their 2012 seasons when they medaled at like age 18. We were hailing Amos as Rudisha's obvious no-brainer successor. Murphy has shown great tactical presence at both distances but it's so early to be giving him Centro's crown. Like c'mon, 3:36 really isn't that fast.

- Tracking, understand ... good references w/Amos, Kitum

-That said, it's not like Murphy's announced he's a 1500 guy again ... unlikely to go for both this summer at World's unless you have a different perspective.

- I think this guy is using racing for training similar to the NOP guys ... efforts over 800 only get him strong/confident to drop-down. What I'm really looking forward to is a open 400m out-of-the-blocks similar to Manny Korrir (UTEP) later in the Spring as he sharpens the saw for the 800.

usnspecialist wrote:

Not the next US miler wrote:

Anyone else not impressed? Narrowly beats a 3:36 guy nobody outside of the US has heard of.

Centro would destroy Murphy.

centro may well beat murphy, but if you saw the race you know murphy was in control the entire time and basically did the bare minimum to win (not to mention conditions were not good).

Did you see the race? Murphy was spent afterwards. Johnny pushed him to the brink. Hutchinson mentioned his dad to be a 352 miler (351 actually)

Centro FTW

Wealthburg wrote:

usnspecialist wrote:

centro may well beat murphy, but if you saw the race you know murphy was in control the entire time and basically did the bare minimum to win (not to mention conditions were not good).

Did you see the race? Murphy was spent afterwards. Johnny pushed him to the brink. Hutchinson mentioned his dad to be a 352 miler (351 actually)

- Are you sure it wasn't the conditions that smoked Murphy w/a sub-4 effort?

Murphy is the Future wrote:

Murphy will be routinely under 3:30 within a couple of years.

Anyone who could say something this silly with such brazen confidence doesn't really have any sense of running history. There has NEVER been an American routinely under 3:30, not even the American version of Lagat. Are you a college kid? Did you spend the past year or two looking up to Murphy and decide because he's great it must mean he's CERTAIN to be one of the best runners of all time?

This stinks of ignorance. I hope he breaks 3:30 someday. I wouldn't be THAT surprised if he does, but I'd be even less surprised if he doesn't. Routinely? Yeah right. Get a grip.

What has Murphy done in the mile to even be in the discussion with the Olympic gold medalist? Murphy is very good 800m runner and a promising 1500m runner...no more and no less. If you talk to Murphy, he will tell you himself that's he's a project when it comes to the 1500m and does not compare himself to the elite milers in the world.

Not the next US miler wrote:

know your track history wrote:

Really? Nobody recognizes the name Gregorek? Did you fall off the turnip truck yesterday?

Not outside the US. Sorry, American distance running is a small place. 3:36 guys are a dime a dozen.

umm, every heard of his dad?

Announcer Tim Hutchings was very familiar with the name. He's not an American.

A win is a win.

Murphy beat Centro over 1000m just before the Olympics last year.

Centro is not invincible, he was beaten by Jenkins in the 5th Ave mile just after the Olympics last year.

There's a lot of talent in this country right now at middle distance. It's awesome!

not Jordan Hasay wrote:

Not the next US miler wrote:

Not outside the US. Sorry, American distance running is a small place. 3:36 guys are a dime a dozen.

umm, every heard of his dad?

Announcer Tim Hutchings was very familiar with the name. He's not an American.

Tim Hutchings the athletics commentator whose job it is to have in depth knowledge of the sport?

I'm not sure why people think Clayton will automatically be good at the 1500, if not better than Centro. He's a a 45.xx/1:42 guy, how many guys can extend that range into a sub 3:30 1500? Only guy I can think of is Seb Coe. So unless Clayton Murphy is going to be the next Seb Coe, let's chill with "better than Centro/sub 3:30" talk. I don't want to place limits on Murphy, but I think his best event is going to be the 800, although we're just going to have to wait and see.

It's also worth noting that Eric Jenkins absolutely destroyed Murphy at Millrose this year (and by even more at 5th ave) and whether or not he may have been too far back with 200 to go there was still no way he was gonna win that race. Based off that I'd say Jenkins could even run a bit faster than Murphy (Jenkins is also relatively new towards the 1500 as well as being a 5k guy).

All this talk about Murphy's massive "improvements" and no talk of doping?

That's cute.