Wow: G Dibaba has entered Doha DL women's 800 where she'll clash with Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui

Cutting it close wrote:

With a 53.5 as a 400m best she will have a hard time running 1:55. Most 1:55 runners I know can go at least 51.

As I already said, how many 1:55 runners do you know that run 3:50 flat? That takes incredible endurance.

If you took a 3:50 runner in isolation as you are doing with the 1:55 figure, you would assume they could run at least 1:53. Nobody thinks that about Dibaba because she is a woman and 1:53 is outrageous, and because she has run 14:15 for 5k so obviously is not a speedster who would run 1:52/1:53.

The same is true with the 800m. She has amazing endurance but less speed. 53 is enough for 1:55 with adequate endurance.

If you took a runner who has achieved 51.0s for the 400m and 3:50.0 for the 1500m, what would you expect their 800m to be? I'd say sub 1:52 based on myself and runners I faced in university competition. Dibaba won't run that.

Macdaddy wrote:

800ftw. wrote:

400+5s is a rule of thumb I've never heard of. It certainly doesn't work for me, it's miles off. I ran 1:50 high with a 54 first lap and my best 400m was 50.5. It's completely reasonable to do this.

I don't have time to respond to your whole post, but your 50.5 and 54.xx(?) could be anywhere between 3.5 and 4.5 seconds.... yet you say it's "miles off" from the 5 second rule. LOL. Sounds like it's about spot on - especially since your 400 is significantly worse than your 800. Think about it.

3.5s is miles from 5s over 800m, sorry.

50.5 + 3.5 is 54 setting me up nicely for a 1:50

50.5 + 5 is 55.5 which sets me up to run about 1:52/1:53. Hugely different.

For Dibaba: 53.5 plus 3.5s is 57 which sets her up to run 1:55.5 or faster. This is completely feasible. I've done it myself.

53.5 + 5 s is 58.5 which would mean she would struggle to run 1:55 in that race.

I ran 54.0 followed by 55.8. That is completely doable with a 50.5 400m best. With your estimate I'd only be able to run 1:53.

At this point, it doesn't matter. Both me and another poster have told you not to use 100 and 200m times. But it says it in tip #2.

I'm guessing that you are misusing the calculator again. Who are these 1:44/3:30 athletes who had big problems breaking 13:20? When did they run 1:44/3:30, and when did they attempt to break 13:20? Show me dates.

Why are you using Marita Koch's 100 and 200m times?? We've told you several times NOT to use 100 and 200m times.

I have only seen 1-input calculators, predictors, and tables. Show me all of these 2-input calculators that you are talking about.

It's not common to see someone with 53.5 speed at 400m run 1:55. She is very talented and may be able to do it, but 53.5 isn't all that fast for a 1:55 runner. Yes she has great endurance but the 800m requires speed endurance. It's a tough race and that's why many very good runners relegate themselves to the longer distances. I'd like to see her beat the others but she may be lacking the speed required to do it.

We aren't far apart.Your 3:50 runner can run 1:53, but typically that runner can also run a 51 or faster 400m.

Cutting it close wrote:

It's not common to see someone with 53.5 speed at 400m run 1:55. She is very talented and may be able to do it, but 53.5 isn't all that fast for a 1:55 runner. Yes she has great endurance but the 800m requires speed endurance. It's a tough race and that's why many very good runners relegate themselves to the longer distances. I'd like to see her beat the others but she may be lacking the speed required to do it.

We aren't far apart.Your 3:50 runner can run 1:53, but typically that runner can also run a 51 or faster 400m.

I agree it's definitely not common, but this is Dibaba we are talking about. I've seen school kids do it, and this woman has run 3:50/14:15.

We will see what she runs. I take your opinions as fair, I just don't see a slight female such as her run 51 personally. Looking at the physically strong women such as Ohuruogu run 51, I can't imagine Dibaba doing that alongside a 14min 5k.

Jap wrote:

EPOpia wrote:

Yeah, you're totally right. Those viles filled with EPO plus both used and unused syringes found in her coach's (Jama Aden) hotel room in Spain during his arrest were most assuredly not used on any of his athletes like Dibaba, Souleiman or Makhloufi.

Those viles didn't have EPO and didn't belong to him, shthead, that's why he was never charged. Also, Genzebe has been isotope tested more than any athlete in history since that BS sting. You lose, dumbahss

what is the source that she has been isotope tested more than anyone in history?!? sounds like some bs

I hope you are right. I want her to beat the others and 1:55 or better is likely what it will take. Her 400 time may be faster than 53.5 and you are right that her 3:50 and 14:15 are great indicators she can hold her speed over 800m. Let's hope she can take the race to the others and beat them.

Stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

Coach Crazy wrote:

That calculator is the dumbest gimmick I've ever seen.

The calculator is very accurate so far. I see no problems. If you think you see a problem, then please offer specific and constructive criticism. Why exactly do you think it is "the dumbest gimmick" you have ever seen?

That calculator is an oke. It's not accurate at all. For one thing the times are for men, not women

It doesn't matter what Genzebe can run as a sprinter because she's not a sprinter and never will be. Does anyone care what Bolt would run in the mile? No, because he will never run it.

As for this race, don't expect much, it's her first 800 ever and it's inevitable that she will feel different than her usual races. But she should do okay. Faith Kipyegon and Sifani Hassan have been running 800s for years and are quite comfortable with it. She probably just wants to run comfortable and break 2:00

Coach Crazy wrote:

[quote]Stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

That calculator is an oke. It's not accurate at all. For one thing the times are for men, not women

False. The calculated times are for both men and women.

Not accurate "at all"? I've only heard an extreme minority of people claim that it was inaccurate. That is by definition the opposite of "not accurate at all". What are you basing your statement on? Show me some numbers. Perhaps you have a special pair of times that the calculator does not handle well, or perhaps you are using the calculator incorrectly. Let's figure it out.

Coach Crazy wrote:

Does anyone care what Bolt would run in the mile? No, because he will never run it.

It appears that many people care. Bolt's mile time has been the question of at least 1 multi-page thread on this messageboard.

Really excited about this race, it's about equal to an Olympic final. Missing is Melisa Bishop, Linsey Sharpe and Ajee Wilson, but the big 3 are all there.

A few observations:

1. Perhaps we will see Caster go all out; she's not fooling anyone. With a 50.40 (400M) and 4:01 (1500m) PR, she should be able to run 1:53. If she was a high school boy with 50 point 400m speed and the equivalent of 4:15 mile endurance, I would expect a 1:53 800m.

2. Unlike most people on this board, I am not expecting too much from Genzebe. I would be surprised if she runs faster than 1:57 mid, which is very fast miler/5k type. I suspect she could have gone sub-1:55 when she was in 3:50 1500 shape, but I am expecting to see the more down to earth Genzebe.

3. Will be interesting to see how Charlene Lipsey stacks up against the big dogs. I commented in a previous post about how disappointed I was in that slow Drake 1500, but after watching the video and seeing the conditions, that was an exciting race. I focused on Charlene in that race and although the time was slow, she kind of in the mix against some world class milers and probably could have finished higher if her tactics were better.

4. These early season races are sometimes a matter who the most fit. Jamaica's Natoya Goule has the slowest PR in the field but has the best SB.

5. This race is so stacked and it's so early in the season, I can easily see it becoming a 1:59 tactical affair. Athletes tend to do a lot of looking around when no one has put up fast times and not one in this race is known for pushing the pace. Brace yourself for that. Fast or slow, no one is beating Caster. In fact, there is no need for the IAAF to erase the 800WR, Caster can break that record whenever she decides to.

Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui will probably whip out their dicks and try to gangbang cutie doper Dibaba.

Best post +1

In the link you gave me, tip #2 doesn't say it should not be used.

Steve Ovett (1978), Sebastian Coe (1986), Noah Ngeny (2000) and others belong to the 1:44/3:30 category. None of them could just come close to 13 minutes, not even when they tried.

It was never stated that the "rule" that "two distances determine all other distances" also doesn't hold true for 100m/200m. I thought just your calculator doesn't work well for them.

1-input calculators? Really?

You put in 47 seconds for 400m and get what?

(100 / 400 / 800)

Runner A: 9.9 / 47 / 2:15 (world class 100m runner for whom even 200m is too long)

Runner B: 11.2 / 47 / 1:50 (400m specialist of middle class calibre)

Runner C: 11.4 / 47 / 1:42 (world class 800m runner who also excels over the longer events)

And what gives this 1-input wonder?

There have been other calculators presented in this forum over the years. I don't know if they are still to find online. But I can tell you: they were 2-input calkulators. But a 1-input calculator really is stupid, hopefully at least we can agree in this.

It seems we are too convinced on our own point of view. Since neither of us can "prove" (this for sure is not possible) his own thinking, maybe we should leave it like that?

Almost exactly what I think about Dibaba's chances. I even would be surprised if she runs sub 1:58.

So the startlists are out and it looks like Jenny Meadows will pace the field through a 57 flat first lap.

By the way, Niyonsaba is out due to a last minute cancellation of her flight, it appears. I did not completely rule out the potential for her to cause a major upset...

The big 3 are set to reunite at the Pre meet in Eugene along with Bishop and Wilson.

So the startlists are out and it looks like Jenny Meadows will pace the field through a 57 flat first lap.

By the way, Niyonsaba is out due to a last minute cancellation of her flight, it appears. I did not completely rule out the potential for her to cause a major upset...

The big 3 are set to reunite at the Pre meet in Eugene along with Bishop and Wilson.

This mixed up sex thing will ruin women's sports.