Studly: Meet the world class 800 runner who has twice been 4th at Worlds and runs 105-110 mpw

come on people wrote:

I'm not sure all the fuss, they said this is during the winter. He may just be putting in base and then lower this mileage substantially as he moves into the spring and touches more on his speed.

The fuss is that those times are all over the place. They don't make sense. A 10.5 with a sub 30 10k and a 47 400m? They don't match.

TrackCoach wrote:

Something does not compute; perhaps he ran 10.5 many years ago, but not while he was running 100+ mpw. 10.5 is a sprinter, 100 mpw and a sub-30 10K is a distance runner. Human muscles aren't built to do both that well.

Human muscles can do 10.5 and sub 30 just fine. It is the 47 for 400m that does not make sense. THAT is what human muscles cannot do given the other 2 times.

dsrunner wrote:

a) "Aerobic fitness" is not synonymous with closing speed in an 800.

b) The world record for 800 on 25 miles / week training is better than the world record for 800 on 100 miles / week training.

e) Lydiard = idiocy

Peter Snell the runner and Peter Snell the exercise physiologist would disagree on points a) and c). Your ability to close in an 800 still relies on a high level of aerobic ability to get you there in decent shape. Lydiard claimed Snell had the slowest 200 time of the Olympic finalists. Guess who won twice?

Of course, there are all the clowns getting their fitness out of a syringe, and using steroids with igf aduck2022, who don't put in the miles, so point b) is moot.

Lydiard is God wrote:

Lydiard claimed Snell had the slowest 200 time of the Olympic finalists. Guess who won twice?

Or maybe Lydiard's claim was incorrect?

Hi Robert,

I, too, was particularly drawn to the Spikes piece on the Lewandowski brothers. I contacted Thomas Byrne at Spikes to find out who the author is, and it's Cathal Dennehy, who I think is one of the most talented writers in the business. He is also well-known for his 'from the depths of hell' call last year.

Mark Cullen

Giib wrote:

Lydiard is God wrote:

Lydiard claimed Snell had the slowest 200 time of the Olympic finalists. Guess who won twice?

Or maybe Lydiard's claim was incorrect?

Snell would tell you the same thing Lydiard did. Yeah, maybe incorrect, but they were actually there at the time.

HRE wrote:

Snell would tell you the same thing Lydiard did. Yeah, maybe incorrect, but they were actually there at the time.

What is the point of your "but" statement? If they were incorrect, then they were incorrect. Being or not being there is irrelevant, no?

great race!who won?world champs?

Reporting live from somewhere wrote:

zxczvxcvxzc wrote:

Very impressed by Schmid's 200m time but 20.68 is not nearly at the same level in the 200m as 1:43.45 is in the 800m. So, Som gets the nod here. Schmid also ran sub 45.

Schmid was a hurdler with great speed and endurance.

What is Som's 400m hurdles PB? ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZSsoNhjYVk

it's ok

Closest Ever Finish!!Ed Moses-World Championships,Rome,1987. 400m.H.

Med 1.png Edwin Moses (USA) 47.46 CR

Med 2.png Danny Harris (USA) 47.48

Med 3.png Harald Schmid (FRG) 47.48 AR

4. Sven Nylander (SWE) 48.37

5. Amadou Dia Ba (SEN) 48.37

6. Henry Amike (NGR) 48.63

7. Kriss Akabusi (GBR) 48.74

8. José Alonso (ESP) 49.46

Maybe you don't know how to coach?

Giib wrote:

HRE wrote:

Snell would tell you the same thing Lydiard did. Yeah, maybe incorrect, but they were actually there at the time.

What is the point of your "but" statement? If they were incorrect, then they were incorrect. Being or not being there is irrelevant, no?

What's the point of your original comment? Obviously, almost any statement can be incorrect BUT people who were there, in the race, studying other runners in the field because they'd be racing against them would be more likely to be correct than some guy on a message board fifty six years later is.

GlobalRebellion wrote:

Haha. He is from a country with the sense not to take in a bunch of Merkel's refugees.

True. The Poles, Hungarians and others have their heads screwed on straight and realize Merkel is a tool of the usual suspects. She deserves to be tossed out of helicopter hovering at 3500 ft.

Schmiddy wrote:

Reporting live from somewhere wrote:

Here's some research I put together a few months ago regarding athletes of European origin.

https://usrptrack.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/mens-800m.pdf

What kind of list is this without Amel Tuka?

Also, Harald Schmid...20.68 200, and a 1:44.83 800. Is that actually the fastest 200/800 combo of all time?

The list of athletes with a minimum of five seasons at 1:45.9 or better. Reading isn't your strong suit apparently.

HRE wrote:

Giib wrote:

What is the point of your "but" statement? If they were incorrect, then they were incorrect. Being or not being there is irrelevant, no?

What's the point of your original comment? Obviously, almost any statement can be incorrect BUT people who were there, in the race, studying other runners in the field because they'd be racing against them would be more likely to be correct than some guy on a message board fifty six years later is.

The point of my original comment is very clear. I said that maybe Lydiard was incorrect. Did you really not understand that? I don't think there is a more direct way to state it.

Your math and probability is flawed. The people who were there are not likely to be more correct than some guy on a message board 56 years later. You have made up statistics out of thin air. Do you even know what Lydiard was basing his statement on?

Giib wrote:

The point of my original comment is very clear. I said that maybe Lydiard was incorrect. Did you really not understand that? I don't think there is a more direct way to state it.

Your math and probability is flawed. The people who were there are not likely to be more correct than some guy on a message board 56 years later. You have made up statistics out of thin air. Do you even know what Lydiard was basing his statement on?

Yes. I know he analyzed the people in the race. Have you?

Schmiddy wrote:

Reporting live from somewhere wrote:

Here's some research I put together a few months ago regarding athletes of European origin.

https://usrptrack.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/mens-800m.pdf

What kind of list is this without Amel Tuka?

Also, Harald Schmid...20.68 200, and a 1:44.83 800. Is that actually the fastest 200/800 combo of all time?

There is no way this is true, surely Juantorena who went through the 200m mark in the 400m final (1976) in around 21.1 could run faster. His 800m was faster as well.

JRinaldi wrote:

You guys are so obsessed with mileage.

There is no way he is running 30km a day (180/6 days = 30) and I'd put the house on him NOT being able to run 10.5

I've seen articles written by his coach that stating his yearly total of 3323km (63km per week) with the highest total in Feb 418km (104km per week). This was from a few years ago and he may have increased his mileage, but I highly doubt he has more than doubled it. If he has, he has wasted his time, as he has only improved 0.12 over 800m for all that effort.

JR

I'd love to read this! Do you have links?

Lewandowski has a 10.6 FAT on his IAAF profile from 11 years ago?

If you actually read the article you'd see he runs that high mileage during the winter months, not all year. Speaking of obsessed with mileage...