He's unsponsored no longer: Shadrack Biwott joins Hansons-Brooks Original Distance Project

Desi is clearly one of the GOAT Americans. I see her as much more consistent and maybe a better competitor than these other women.

On the other hand, I see Flanagan, Hastings, Goucher as runners with more of an upside, but way less consistent. They have burned brighter than Des at times, but not most of the time.

kara has no upside, are you serious? hastings is not going any faster than desi, period. desi ran smart at the trials and came in a strong 2nd. kara's Boston history is not as good as desi's. 1 shalane2 desi3/4 hastings/kara tough call, but hastings is still rising, kara is not.

dznuts wrote:

Desi is clearly one of the GOAT Americans. I see her as much more consistent and maybe a better competitor than these other women.

On the other hand, I see Flanagan, Hastings, Goucher as runners with more of an upside, but way less consistent. They have burned brighter than Des at times, but not most of the time.

Des has no upside , she hasn't run faster than she did in 2011. Oh wait that was with a significant tail wind. Whatever, consistency is brought on by the same consistent training and no significant improvement what so ever. Thus those that are inconsistent tend to have mixed results. Sometimes faster and higher highs. I would take a win, an Olympic medal, or World Best over consistency and when Des looks back she might2

ehh consistency wrote:

Des has no upside , she hasn't run faster than she did in 2011. Oh wait that was with a significant tail wind. Whatever, consistency is brought on by the same consistent training and no significant improvement what so ever. Thus those that are inconsistent tend to have mixed results. Sometimes faster and higher highs. I would take a win, an Olympic medal, or World Best over consistency and when Des looks back she might2

American marathon women don't have wins, Olympic medals, or World Bests brother.

van wink wrote:

ehh consistency wrote:

Des has no upside , she hasn't run faster than she did in 2011. Oh wait that was with a significant tail wind. Whatever, consistency is brought on by the same consistent training and no significant improvement what so ever. Thus those that are inconsistent tend to have mixed results. Sometimes faster and higher highs. I would take a win, an Olympic medal, or World Best over consistency and when Des looks back she might2

American marathon women don't have wins, Olympic medals, or World Bests brother.

Joan Benoit won the Olympic marathon. Deena Kastor has an Olympic bronze in the marathon.

ehh consistency wrote:

van wink wrote:

American marathon women don't have wins, Olympic medals, or World Bests brother.

Joan Benoit won the Olympic marathon. Deena Kastor has an Olympic bronze in the marathon.

Sorry, I thought based on recent posts on the thread we were talking about current professionals.

Yes, Desi is no Joanie or Deena. I doubt anyone would argue that, even the H bros.

You clearly lack normal comprehension skills. I never said that she had an upside, the other poster did. Does she have more upside than Kara Goucher, yes. Has she had a better marathoning career than KG, yes. The poster compared Desi to the other 3 and was proven wrong by one or two other posters. If this is too much to understand, you might need to take a nap. It sounds like you have a Hanson problem and are ripping them thru Desi. How many females have improved that much with their "same consistent training"? That's what I thought oh wise one. Goucher never did and she ran for the Nike powerhouse. Please, get a life and stop posting out your back end as it surely makes you look---not too bright.

ehh consistency wrote:

Des has no upside , she hasn't run faster than she did in 2011. Oh wait that was with a significant tail wind. Whatever, consistency is brought on by the same consistent training and no significant improvement what so ever. Thus those that are inconsistent tend to have mixed results. Sometimes faster and higher highs. I would take a win, an Olympic medal, or World Best over consistency and when Des looks back she might2

Hey, I admitted that the poster set me straight and was right, Linden has had a way better career and I was a butthead for saying otherwise. Let it go already.

dznuts wrote:

Desi is clearly one of the GOAT Americans. I see her as much more consistent and maybe a better competitor than these other women.

On the other hand, I see Flanagan, Hastings, Goucher as runners with more of an upside, but way less consistent. They have burned brighter than Des at times, but not most of the time.

I've seen some nice stuff before that implied Hansons Brooks provides solid financial support for their athletes...like wasn't Sell making 100k in the years leading to the Olympics? What does Desi make? Biwott? What does their average recruit out of college get? What about Jake Riley?

Who are the non African females winning marathons?

The Hanson Bros post a tweet about Des having 7 of the top 25 times by American women and it needs to be pointed out that never got her a win a marathon. Joan,Deena,and Shalane all had better improvement. Yeah Goucher wasn't as good as Des at the marathon. So what Goucher has faster p.r.s at all other distances and a silver from Worlds. Des's p.r.s are all from 5-6 years ago. Where is the improvement?

Why does that need to be pointed out - because you feel slighted? It's a tweet supporting the consistency of one of their athletes and it made you so upset that you had to come on here and try to take shots at her, repeatedly. Their tweet didn't say that Desi is better than Joanie and Deena and Shalane, it was touting her consistency at Boston. Why is it you feel like discrediting an athlete instead of praising good performances? We must be wired differently.

Well your name is neutered . So I guess we may be wired differently. It is true the Hanson Bros rub me the wrong way. They have always come off as a little arrogant and Des as well. Her saying she was all in and would be disappointed if she didn't win. She is a time trial marathoner and a horrible tactician. Don't talk like that when you are a terrible racer. Just be quiet and run the best you can. C'mon the tweet was clearing bragging with a numerical format of her on top of those other women.

I'm really happy for Shadrack! He's a super nice guy and has been running very well and consistently. I think he's still got room for improvement.

I still don't like the Hansons' singlets.

So when KG tweets the same thing, it's different right? She won the bronze in the world's 10,000 in 2007 in a "NOT Olympic" caliber of field. She ran faster in the Olympics and got 10th...that's a fact Spanky. Faster at that distance then Linden, yes, but we're talking about the marathon.

Regardless, she tweets arrogant stuff all the time, what's the difference? The Hanson's rub you the wrong way because why? Are you an ex-runner of theirs? Linden is not a terrible racer, hardly and definitely not a horrible tactician. Honestly, what are you smoking?

It's sad to see this thread hijacked but...

Desi doesn't have the X-Factor. She will never win a major. Watch her drop her head around 2:26 when she had the chance to win. People like Deena, Joanie, Paula, and even Amy Hastings have/had the X-Factor.

https://youtu.be/pYrvIRe0zTc?t=2m20s

rojo wrote:

Shadrack Biwott has been on fire recently as he was 5th in New York in the fall and 4th in Boston earlier this month. However, he was running unsponsored this spring. He has now found a sponsor - the Hansons-Brooks team.

https://twitter.com/skiptoob/status/857057064811507712https://twitter.com/hansonsrun/status/857059941181530113

While I'm citing Hansons tweets, I loved this tweet that they put after Boston. It definitely needs to show up in a WTW.

https://twitter.com/hansonsrun/status/856813285005459456

Wife is cute!

Not good enuf wrote:

king himself wrote:

Sorry, but what's the point of the last tweet? That Desi is the most successful US female marathoner???

Kevin has been blind when it comes to the faults of Desi. Ask anyone that has been part of the team. Kevin thinks she walks on water.

What faults?

what it is wrote:

Not good enuf wrote:

Kevin has been blind when it comes to the faults of Desi. Ask anyone that has been part of the team. Kevin thinks she walks on water.

What faults?

She over-strides for one, fatigue from the low turnover cost her the win in Boston.