If Rudisha truly wanted it, he would have a similar or lower time.
If Rudisha truly wanted it, he would have a similar or lower time.
Michael Saruni with a 45.69 is no slouch neither. Even if these are altitude aided times, they are running fast as/faster than Brazier and Murphy have split.
sduisdv wrote:
DQ for bad communication wrote:Agreed.
Rudisha was also a sprinter moving up.
44.7 is way better than 1:46
this guy should move down, make the kenyan national team
Could he make Kenya's team at 400? Probably. But the 1:46 was indoors. Give him a few more chances to run the 800 outdoors at sea level and I bet he goes 1:44 at least.
Walker red wrote:
El Paso is at 3700'. That helps.
- Bump!
- Never figured out why more American distance runners haven't gone to UTEP or train in El Paso ... geat WX, trails, etc.
I think they refuse to recruit American runners.
Lickety Split wrote:
Walker red wrote:El Paso is at 3700'. That helps.
- Bump!
- Never figured out why more American distance runners haven't gone to UTEP or train in El Paso ... geat WX, trails, etc.
- Perhaps ... Ted Stevens (RIP) no doubt had a East African pipeline & Ereng seems to share the same perspective.
- Given El Paso's a border city, one would have thought that their would be a Mexican pipeline as well
Programs like this do not typically ignore American distance runners, but rather know that they cannot get the same level of American as foreign distance runner. Few American distance runners are close to this level straight out of high school (who knows how old the Kenyan recruits are but most are ready?) and they will be sought after by more prestigious programs such as Oregon, Stanford, Arkansas, and Oklahoma State. So, UTEP and UNM, among others, achieve near elite status by going after foreign recruits, who are undervalued by the prestigious programs. I have no argument against the claim that Korir can run faster than 1:46. When he gets into a fast race with comp (if he was not in the Murphy or Brazier races), he should go sub 1:45 and maybe 1:43 in the summer. But right now, he's shown himself to be among the best in the NCAA in the 400m and that was with no one closer than a second. He might be a 44 low guy this year at 400m internationally.
- Elite college programs don't undervalue foreign athletes ... instead, they value investing in Americans trying to become World Class in a non-revenue producing sport.
- Agree with you on Korir
- El Caballo ... yes ... what is your point?
- Few elite 400m runners have transitioned to the 800m with any success like El Caballo.
- Every now and then you'll find a David Patrick, Mark Everett, Billy Konchella, Harold Schmid etc. that can smoke a 400 meter; however, one can't consider them elite 400 meter runners ... at best, like Rudisha, these guys are good enough to run the 4x400m on either national or NCAA level.
The course was short.
- Crazy Talk
- Need a posting "Mulligan" .... how could I have left off Brandon Johnson who like Harald Schmid and David Patrick moved from World Class 400 IH to the 800 meters.
Fun stories about Emmanuel:
He just started running the 800m in 2016. Within a few months, he ran 1:46 outdoor.
According to him, he won NCAAs without running for 3 weeks before the race -- only pool running because he was injured.
- If I was him I'd stick with the 400 meters ... he has a better shot at making the Kenya World Championship team this summer than the 800 meters. In fact, if I was Coach Ereng I'd experiment with him at the 400IH as well. He can always come back to the 800 meters.
Mrr82 wrote:
kjhg wrote:His coach said he was a sprinter moving up to the 800m, so not that surprising. Great performance. More along the lines of a Nigel Amos than David Rudisha.
Extremely illogical statement.
agree. he wouldn't have moved up if he didn't suck at the 400 in the past...classic "hindsight is 20/20".
the real story here is how much 800 training improves your 400 endurance (n=1)
predictor wrote:
If Rudisha truly wanted it, he would have a similar or lower time.
You don't just run 1 second faster in a 400m by wanting it a little harder
as a middle distance athlete in C-USA I may kill myself
hermes link ice blue mink wrote:
Mrr82 wrote:Extremely illogical statement.
agree. he wouldn't have moved up if he didn't suck at the 400 in the past...classic "hindsight is 20/20".
the real story here is how much 800 training improves your 400 endurance (n=1)
Or he was miscast as middle distance runner versus a sprinter.
PrZ wrote:
I can't even remember the last time a Kenyan broke 45. Kenyan records stands at 44.18 from 1992. This is ridiculous though, it's hard to tell what event he should actually be running at this point. I doubt he could beat Fred Kerley but he should definitely be running at Worlds for Kenya in this event.
I was looking into this- numerous sources mention the 44.18 by Kitur as taking place at Barcelona '92 but in fact according to the Olympic website he ran 44.24. He ran 44.66 to win his second round heat.
Did he run that in the first heat? Is it just a wikipedia error that has been reported from in various Kenyan newspapers, etc.? For instance once website that talked about Kitur and his 44.18 for bronze at Barcelona lists the silver medalist as Butch "Harry" Reynolds (won silver in Seoul not Barcelona).