Futsum Zienasellassie To Join NAZ Elite

I think its a good choice, bens a good guy. if im strong enough eventually i will go over there. The only reason i wouldnt go with naz is if there training doesnt seem to work for me (they are super super strength based)

Beaver Street loses all validity. Post with full confidence with false statements.

Steph Bruce is not self coached. That is the only thing you posted that is 100% wrong. She like the rest of the NAZ team is coached by Ben Rosario. The rest is what you called 50% something or other. Clearly you don't like the coach of NAZ but to use Martin Hehir as an example of doing well 50% of the time isn't your best choice. Since joining NAZ he has done very well and been very consistent.

10 mile Champs 4th

Big Sur half (debut) 1:03 3rd

Club Cross 6th (made USA team for Edinburgh)

Edinburgh 13th

3k indoor 7:59

10,000m Stanford 28:08 (almost 20 sec pb)

Thanks to all false message board posters for the reminder of why I love to hate these boards. People post with full confidence things that are inaccurate and not true.

Craig Lutz is my boy

fact police wrote:

Beaver Street loses all validity. Post with full confidence with false statements.

Steph Bruce is not self coached. That is the only thing you posted that is 100% wrong. She like the rest of the NAZ team is coached by Ben Rosario. The rest is what you called 50% something or other. Clearly you don't like the coach of NAZ but to use Martin Hehir as an example of doing well 50% of the time isn't your best choice. Since joining NAZ he has done very well and been very consistent.

10 mile Champs 4th

Big Sur half (debut) 1:03 3rd

Club Cross 6th (made USA team for Edinburgh)

Edinburgh 13th

3k indoor 7:59

10,000m Stanford 28:08 (almost 20 sec pb)

Thanks to all false message board posters for the reminder of why I love to hate these boards. People post with full confidence things that are inaccurate and not true.

Agreed. What's really shocking is how it's done over such a wide range of subjects as well. Some of the junk written on these boards is overwhelmingly ridiculous.

to be fair,

"10 mile Champs 4th

Big Sur half (debut) 1:03 3rd

Club Cross 6th (made USA team for Edinburgh)

Edinburgh 13th

3k indoor 7:59

10,000m Stanford 28:08 (almost 20 sec pb)"

is barely respectable.

so far NAZ has been almost good. for the $$$$ that HOKA spends, they've gotten nothing for it

almost good: llano, kelyn, kahuno, scotty, kleppin, other scotty, ....

if the goal is world and olympic teams, its really only Stephanie who has performed close to that

i encourage naz to keep trying, but to look back on 2015-17 and say the $$ investment was well spent would not be a true fact

numbers in this sport can be cruel

BTC would've been perfect for him. Maybe he's in love with Flagstaff and that's what seemed to work for him at NAU so might as well stay.

If you are saying Stephanie Bruce is close to world and olympic teams and Kellyn Taylor is only almost good, I don't think you really have looked at their results. PRs are comparable but Kellyn's are more recent (yes, I know - SB had 2 kids). BUT Kellyn finished 6th in the olympic marathon trial, 4th in the 10,000 olympic trial, and recently finished 3rd in USATF XC Championships. So she made the World team but turned down the invite. I don't know how that resume is only "almost good". SB only made the world team because Kellyn and a few others turned it down.

Kellyn doesn't seem to have the racing tact to make a team any time soon.

To your point that the team is only almost good. And that if the goal is world and olympic teams, let's take a look.

2016 OT finishes:

6th place: for both Kellyn Taylor and Matt Llano marathon

4th place: for both Kellyn and Scott F 10,000m

World Teams

2016 World Half: Ben Bruce, Kellyn

2017 World Cross: Scott F, Steph Bruce

It's not mind boggling numbers but in terms of performance alone they are doing very well compared to almost every other group out there. Add to that, they share more than any other group out there in terms of training (videos, why they do a certain workout, etc) and keep an updated team website. So a lot more people outside the elite track world (IE people buying shoes) know who NAZ Elite is than almost any other group out there. So to say the investment was a bad one is a narrow minded view that only performance is looked at. That may have been true 30 years ago before social media existed. But look around there are companies cutting top level elites to pay fitness bloggers, because the fitness bloggers have a better reach. NAZ is trying to do both, run fast and share the experience along the way.

Don't refer to world cross as a "world team". A world team is top 3 at outdoor USATF champs. Only about 1/5 of actual top distance people bother with USA xc.

Five of the top six men's 10k trials finishers is more than 1/5th racing to make world cross

Maybe "other teams" like Brooks or NorCal, but certainly nothing like BTC or NOP. The dude is entitled, lazy, and way older than what the birth certificate shows.

You shouldn't just say he is entitled/lazy you should provide examples....

World word wrote:

Five of the top six men's 10k trials finishers is more than 1/5th racing to make world cross

Not very accurate considering half the field dropped out of the 10k @ Trials since it was 90 degrees. Where did Lagat, Chelimo, Mead, Jenkins, Estrada, Rupp, Jager, Ward, Puskedra finish? Oh wait.... they all didn't run USA xc because they're preparing for USA outdoors.