Arcadia Boys 3200

Incredible race.

gimick wrote:

Gotta bee wrote:

3200m is the standard distance for highschool lmao, everyone that broke 9 othe Ethan maybe Seth and he can anyway would have broken 9 for two miles if it was that

Whatever helps you jokes sleep though

Could've would've should've

Justify racing the mile instead of the 1600m. Please and thank you.

Having a mile instead of a 1600m makes some sense because the mile is a pretty common event. If you replace the 3200m with a two-mile, you're replacing an event that is pretty obscure, but at least common in high school, with an event that is pretty obscure period.

Has to be asked wrote:

Absolutely. It would be one thing if he ran 4:10 to close the relay, but a 4:01 had to sap the legs somewhat. He is better than 8:44.

You HS boys don't understand how men run. Also note that he ran 4:02, not 4:01.

Regardless, a well-trained athlete should be able to run a short race like the 1600m, rest 24 hrs, and run to their potential in the 3200m. Clinger ran 8:44, and until he runs better, that is what he's capable of. For the love of god, stop going ventolin on us.

You'd make a better ventolin argument by discussing optimal pacing.

home dipo wrote:

Has to be asked wrote:

Absolutely. It would be one thing if he ran 4:10 to close the relay, but a 4:01 had to sap the legs somewhat. He is better than 8:44.

which is why German's 4:00/8:34 same day double on a compacted schedule was so incredible

Yes, that might be the greatest high school double of all time. It's also why 3:55 and 13:25 as a frosh at Ok. St. should've surprised absolutely no one. Fernandez was a once-in-a-generation type talent. Too bad he is so injury prone.

Clinger is better than 8:44. I agree w/the first response that he would've challenged for the win. I highly doubt he is fully tapered.

obscure events wrote:

gimick wrote:

Could've would've should've

Justify racing the mile instead of the 1600m. Please and thank you.

Having a mile instead of a 1600m makes some sense because the mile is a pretty common event. If you replace the 3200m with a two-mile, you're replacing an event that is pretty obscure, but at least common in high school, with an event that is pretty obscure period.

Face it, they race the mile because if a boy runs 3:59 for 1600m, it's the wrong sub-4. It would be even worse if a kid ran 3:55 because he doesn't get an official sub-4 mile. They could race the 2-mile (a standard distance, and raced at most major invites), but it would cost a few sub-9s every year. Gonzalez's whole marketing schtick for the 3200m is getting kids sub-9. You can twist it any way you want, but this is the reason for racing one standard distance but not the other.

Has to be asked wrote:

Clinger is better than 8:44. I agree w/the first response that he would've challenged for the win. I highly doubt he is fully tapered.

You think the winner was fully tapered? You're disrespecting the 2 guys who beat him. 8:44 is a great time, but 8:41 is quite a bit better. Just accept there are guys who are better than your boy.

gimick wrote:

Face it, they race the mile because if a boy runs 3:59 for 1600m, it's the wrong sub-4. It would be even worse if a kid ran 3:55 because he doesn't get an official sub-4 mile. They could race the 2-mile (a standard distance, and raced at most major invites), but it would cost a few sub-9s every year. Gonzalez's whole marketing schtick for the 3200m is getting kids sub-9. You can twist it any way you want, but this is the reason for racing one standard distance but not the other.

In fact, if memory serves, they used to race the 2-mile. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but it was within the last 10 years they switched to the 3200m.

Not disrespecting anyone and Clinger is not "my boy." Don't even know the kid or live in Utah. Not pulling a Ventolin either. Ventolin would've had him worth 8:30 or something crazy like that. But not being fully tapered and running damn near all out on your own the night before does not leave one fully fresh. So he was at a bit of a disadvantage, and, rightly or wrongly, I surmise it was worth roughly four seconds. We can agree to disagree. It's all speculation anyway, on both of our parts.

Has to be asked wrote:

Not disrespecting anyone and Clinger is not "my boy." Don't even know the kid or live in Utah. Not pulling a Ventolin either. Ventolin would've had him worth 8:30 or something crazy like that. But not being fully tapered and running damn near all out on your own the night before does not leave one fully fresh. So he was at a bit of a disadvantage, and, rightly or wrongly, I surmise it was worth roughly four seconds. We can agree to disagree. It's all speculation anyway, on both of our parts.

No, it's speculation on your part. He ran 8:44, there is no speculation in that.

He also soloed a 4:02 the night before. Would it be ridiculous speculation that he is probably faster than 4:02 in a competitive race at sea level? Because, damn it, he's only run 4:02, even if it was by himself, knowing he had to save a little for the following evening, though I'm sure the 4x1600 record was more important...

gimick wrote:

obscure events wrote:

Having a mile instead of a 1600m makes some sense because the mile is a pretty common event. If you replace the 3200m with a two-mile, you're replacing an event that is pretty obscure, but at least common in high school, with an event that is pretty obscure period.

Face it, they race the mile because if a boy runs 3:59 for 1600m, it's the wrong sub-4. It would be even worse if a kid ran 3:55 because he doesn't get an official sub-4 mile. They could race the 2-mile (a standard distance, and raced at most major invites), but it would cost a few sub-9s every year. Gonzalez's whole marketing schtick for the 3200m is getting kids sub-9. You can twist it any way you want, but this is the reason for racing one standard distance but not the other.

Ok, that might be their reasoning. I didn't claim otherwise. I just don't see why it really matters. The 2-mile isn't inherently better than the 3200, so if they want to run the 3200 for the reason mentioned, I don't see any compelling reason for them not to.

It isn't like they're running a 100 yard dash instead of a 100m dash to get faster times. They're just picking between two accepted high school distances that are both fairly obscure races in the broader world of track.

If the 2-mile was some longstanding tradition with a lot of history, I could see why running a 3200 instead would be odd, but that really isn't the case. Both the 3200 and the 2-mile are really just awkward products of our decision to include three mid-d races and zero distance races in the high school track schedule.

gimick wrote:

Gonzalez's whole marketing schtick for the 3200m is getting kids sub-9. You can twist it any way you want, but this is the reason for racing one standard distance but not the other.

There were ZERO under 9 minutes for 2 miles.

Anybody know what the standard to get into the invitational section of the 3200 was?

gimick wrote:

Gotta bee wrote:

3200m is the standard distance for highschool lmao, everyone that broke 9 othe Ethan maybe Seth and he can anyway would have broken 9 for two miles if it was that

Whatever helps you jokes sleep though

Could've would've should've

Justify racing the mile instead of the 1600m. Please and thank you.

Easy go cry to the meet directors all over the country at every meet that always runs the 1600 over the mile, maybe if you cry to them all enough they'll change it to the mile and two mile just for you

I had a teammate running at Arcadia and was pretty sure it was 3200m back in 1991 and 1992.

Interesting

1 Cooper Teare 12 St. Joseph-Nd 8:41.46

It was a 3200m in 2001 that as far back as I remember

ArcadiaMania wrote:

1 Cooper Teare 12 St. Joseph-Nd 8:41.46

Cooper ran a great race, congratz and all broke a Thom Hunt record....

Hunt was better... especially in cross country.