Coaching tie wrote:
Yeah but can he run when it counts?
Yes. He won an NCAA title.
Coaching tie wrote:
Yeah but can he run when it counts?
Yes. He won an NCAA title.
?!?
quality control wrote:
HandWringingLiberal wrote:An amazing talent. Cheers. Now learn how to race in a crowd.
If the field could keep up maybe he'd have a "crowd" to run in.
Do you want him to stop and stand still for two second during the race?
+1
he's handled the rounds once. he did poorly at trials and was third at sec's. not winning your conference final qualifies as handling rounds poorly in my book.
Is he on the World Relays Team?
Jamaica's bobsled team wrote:
Us talent wrote:US 4 by 8 is looking better for Relays!
US 4x8 is Murphy, Jock, Sowinski, and Loxsom w/ Kidder as the alternate. So Brazier's 1:44 doesn't help at all
No, he's not on the world relays team, as I already said
Coaching tie wrote:
Yeah but can he run when it counts?
I don't think this is a fair criticism. NCAAs was enough to say he runs well when it counts. However, I don't think he handles rounds very well, at least at this point in his career, so that will need to improve.
They first pick from the 2016 Olympic Team then look at the top two finishers from the 600 and 1K at the 2017 Indoor Championships.
So Murphy and Jock both accepted. I'm sure Boris would have but he's hurt right now. Murphy won the 1K but he was already on the team. Sowinski won the 600 so he got invited and accepted. Then they went to the runner ups in the 600 and 1K. Probably felt like Loxsom would be a better option than Kidder so gave it to him and let Kidder get a free trip to the Bahamas as an alternate.
NCAAs and SECs are much different than rounds. College is just about a prelim and a final. USAs and Global Championships have 3 rounds. That makes a big difference.
Comparer wrote:
JRinaldi wrote:Brazier ran 1:45.07 pr and 1:43.55 pr, plus two legs of the 4x400 (46 point and 45 point) on both days and you think this guy can't handle rounds!
Very good point.
It wore him out for the Oly Trials. He can get through one meet with rounds. He won't get through several unless he really beefs up his mileage, which is what Johnny Gray told him to do and is what Gray said in an interview about what Braizer needs to do. Part of the reason Brazier left Gray's crew in Fl was he didn't like and couldn't handle the extra mileage. If he's gotten over that he'll be great. If he hasn't, he's going to be hit or miss.
What is the obsession with mileage here jesus. You guys are really that daft? You really think there's no alternative to running rounds except for mileage? You must be a great coach. (cue a response where you tell me how many great runners you've had)
Brazier has already surpassed Loxsom's PR in a low key meet in early April. How he isn't even an alternate blows me away. He would beat the **** out of Jock, Sowinski, Loxsom, and Kidder right now. Murphy maybe another story.
Yes I think Brazier should be in the team. More international experience for him and definitely more talented than Loxsom. And 4x800m doesn't really require you to run in a pack anyway if you aren't the first runner. Put him on the third or fourth leg to chase the Kenyans.
US 4x8 is Murphy, Jock, Sowinski, and Loxsom w/ Kidder as the alternate. So Brazier's 1:44 doesn't help at all[/quote]
Brazier has a better PR than 3 of the guys you just named..
So are the US relay squads for world relays posted already?
handmedown wrote:
http://www.usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2017/IAAF-World-Relays/Athlete-Info/Athlete-Selection-Procedures.aspxThey first pick from the 2016 Olympic Team then look at the top two finishers from the 600 and 1K at the 2017 Indoor Championships.
So Murphy and Jock both accepted. I'm sure Boris would have but he's hurt right now. Murphy won the 1K but he was already on the team. Sowinski won the 600 so he got invited and accepted. Then they went to the runner ups in the 600 and 1K. Probably felt like Loxsom would be a better option than Kidder so gave it to him and let Kidder get a free trip to the Bahamas as an alternate.
Is this inside knowledge ?
Do you have the rest of the squad info to share?
Rudisha (and Bosse/Kszczot for that matter) runs between 35-40 miles a week and handles rounds just fine.
If you think running 80 miles a week is the only way to an Olympic 800m final, then you are horribly wrong. 400/800 athletes are very different to 800/1500 athletes. Given the results of the majors over the last 20+ years, the ball has been in the court of the former (see below).
Olympics
2016 Rudisha 400/800
2012 Rudisha 400/800
2008 Bungei 400/800
2004 Borza 400/800
2000 Schumann 400/800
1996 Rodal 400/800
1992 Tanui 800/1500
World Champs
2015 Rudisha 400/800
2013 Aman 800
2011 Rudisha 400/800
2009 Mulaudzi 400/800
2007 Yego 800/1500
2005 Ramzi 800/1500
2003 Saïd-Guerni 400/800
2001 Bucher 800
rudisha lookout wrote:Brazier will be the first to run sub 1:40. Mark my words
i woudn't go that far but he has lotta years ahead
last year he ran 1'43.55 when 1/2-dead after some brutal relay splits
the final had poor splits & the kid got little drafting as running quite a bit wide on bends
also, eugene is a terrible place for middle/distance running as it's basically an open field with lots of wrecking wind
if he'd run a 1-off that meet, meaning fully rested a proper tt on a 0 wind day, route-1 all the way with no wide running, smooth splits & smoothly drafted to bell, he wouda been looking at
~ 1'42-flat/low perhaps even then a dip into the 1'41s
this year, just thru maturation, on the circuit, he shoud be looking definitely for 1'41s
calculo wrote:
rudisha lookout wrote:Brazier will be the first to run sub 1:40. Mark my wordsi woudn't go that far but he has lotta years ahead
last year he ran 1'43.55 when 1/2-dead after some brutal relay splits
the final had poor splits & the kid got little drafting as running quite a bit wide on bends
also, eugene is a terrible place for middle/distance running as it's basically an open field with lots of wrecking wind
if he'd run a 1-off that meet, meaning fully rested a proper tt on a 0 wind day, route-1 all the way with no wide running, smooth splits & smoothly drafted to bell, he wouda been looking at
~ 1'42-flat/low perhaps even then a dip into the 1'41s
this year, just thru maturation, on the circuit, he shoud be looking definitely for 1'41s
No chance of 1:41. It's a lot tougher than sitting at your desk calculating drafting etc. no he wasn't a 1:42 low guy last year.
quality control wrote:
HandWringingLiberal wrote:An amazing talent. Cheers. Now learn how to race in a crowd.
If the field could keep up maybe he'd have a "crowd" to run in.
Do you want him to stop and stand still for two second during the race?
He had plenty of chances growing up