Coaching tie wrote:
Yeah but can he run when it counts?
leave the guy some slack, he aint no Dave Reading
Coaching tie wrote:
Yeah but can he run when it counts?
leave the guy some slack, he aint no Dave Reading
Iceberg wrote:
quality control wrote:If the field could keep up maybe he'd have a "crowd" to run in.
Do you want him to stop and stand still for two second during the race?
He was standing still at the trials
Terrible post by you. Missed the point as usual.
Sure, there's a chance he could turn out like Webb....fast times, maybe the American record, but not good in championship racing. But I could see him just front running everything like Rudisha and winning some championship medals that way. He's talented enough to be able to do that.
When did we get to the point where we dismiss young talent and great performances? There is no doping history. He's a potential threat at the world level. And it's not like he's a habitual trash talker. You guys are hard to impress. 1:44 is a great early season time. Will he do better? I don't know. I'm not a fortune teller. I'm taking it for what it was. I hope to see more big things from him. It would be awesome to see him and Murphy go 1-2 at the world championships or olympics one day. I'll be rooting for both of them.
Thank you! I, too, am excited about the U.S.'s young 800 m. talent.
Dazed & Confused wrote:
When did we get to the point where we dismiss young talent and great performances? There is no doping history. He's a potential threat at the world level. And it's not like he's a habitual trash talker. You guys are hard to impress. 1:44 is a great early season time. Will he do better? I don't know. I'm not a fortune teller. I'm taking it for what it was. I hope to see more big things from him. It would be awesome to see him and Murphy go 1-2 at the world championships or olympics one day. I'll be rooting for both of them.
Alan Webb II wrote:
Sure, there's a chance he could turn out like Webb....fast times, maybe the American record, but not good in championship racing. But I could see him just front running everything like Rudisha and winning some championship medals that way. He's talented enough to be able to do that.
He's been in...what, 3 major championships? Seem to recall him beating the eventual rio silver medalist and an NCAA championship in there. What qualifies as good championship racing then?
Dazed & Confused wrote:
When did we get to the point where we dismiss young talent and great performances? There is no doping history. He's a potential threat at the world level. And it's not like he's a habitual trash talker. You guys are hard to impress. 1:44 is a great early season time. Will he do better? I don't know. I'm not a fortune teller. I'm taking it for what it was. I hope to see more big things from him. It would be awesome to see him and Murphy go 1-2 at the world championships or olympics one day. I'll be rooting for both of them.
Agree. Brazier decided to do the Olympic Trials like 2 weeks before the race. He had been going hard since winter, peaked for NCAAs, then drove home to Michigan and had to train by himself for the trials. His one bad performance doesn't say anything about his championship racing ability.
TrackCoach wrote:
rudisha lookout wrote:Brazier will be the first to run sub 1:40. Mark my words.
Perhaps, but I have not seen anything to suggest that level of greatness. There are a ton of 20 year olds who have run 1:44 or better. In fact, there are about a half dozen 18 year olds who have 1:43 or better. The 800 is a young man's game, the top guys usually peak in their early 20s. Lot's of athletes run fast at Brazier's age, and spend a career getting one second faster.
Nah. Brazier has shown world beater talent.
In HS, off 30 miles per week or less, he ran 15:25 XC finishing 6th at state only 40 seconds behind Grant Fisher.
If the kid ran even 50 miles per week, he may have been able to run 15-20 seconds faster and been a top 15-20 XC runner in the nation.
That, plus splitting 45.9r in HS.
So to recap, a guy who finishes 200m behind the best HS 5k guy off zero endurance training and splits sub 46...is unheard of
Chicken leg Charlie wrote:
Alan Webb II wrote:Sure, there's a chance he could turn out like Webb....fast times, maybe the American record, but not good in championship racing. But I could see him just front running everything like Rudisha and winning some championship medals that way. He's talented enough to be able to do that.
He's been in...what, 3 major championships? Seem to recall him beating the eventual rio silver medalist and an NCAA championship in there. What qualifies as good championship racing then?
When did he beat a Rio silver medalist? Murphy was bronze and Brazier never beat him anyway. He sure as heck didn't beat Makh daddy, either.
Qwertu wrote:
Chicken leg Charlie wrote:He's been in...what, 3 major championships? Seem to recall him beating the eventual rio silver medalist and an NCAA championship in there. What qualifies as good championship racing then?
When did he beat a Rio silver medalist? Murphy was bronze and Brazier never beat him anyway. He sure as heck didn't beat Makh daddy, either.
Pretty sure he's talking about Webb
Brazier ran 1:45.07 pr and 1:43.55 pr, plus two legs of the 4x400 (46 point and 45 point) on both days and you think this guy can't handle rounds!
He doesn't need to run more mileage, he just needs more experience at this level. If you are comparing him to Murphy, then lets remember that Murphy had already been to PamAm's and World Champs the year before Rio
He beat Ryun's 50 year old record by a lot and won NCAA outdoor as a freshman. When he returned home after turning pro, he had no idea what to do and so was not ready for Trials. He has now run a 1:44.63 in early April. It is more than fair to think that he might be running 1:42 by July and is certainly a major threat for trials and World's, if he qualifies against some very, very good competition. I'd think after all those years of a distance drought from American-born athletes (that is, other than Lagat) at championships, all of you would be absolutely thrilled to have a talent like Donavan Brazier to go with Boris Berian and Clayton Murphy, plus other up and comers. This is an exciting time and I should know because it was a long ugly period between the 1980s and the last ten years.
Dazed & Confused wrote:
When did we get to the point where we dismiss young talent and great performances? There is no doping history. He's a potential threat at the world level. And it's not like he's a habitual trash talker. You guys are hard to impress. 1:44 is a great early season time. Will he do better? I don't know. I'm not a fortune teller. I'm taking it for what it was. I hope to see more big things from him. It would be awesome to see him and Murphy go 1-2 at the world championships or olympics one day. I'll be rooting for both of them.
Reasonable post amongst unreasonable posts.
Brazier is a wonderful talent and a nice guy. We should cheer this fine young man on to being all he can be and maybe... Just maybe he could become the best US 800 meter runner ever.
the best thing that could have happened to him is to miss the OG.
doing too much kills young athletes. 100%.
He kind of reminds me of a new manzano. Not at all meaning to imply anything in regards to consistency. Rather, both are obviously EXCEPTIONALLY talented. Both were low mileage in high school, then had breakout freshman years in college (ironically enough, they also represent rival universities lol).
As a Texan runner a few years younger than Leo, everyone knew he was the sht, but i wouldnt have ever bet big bucks that he'd be an Olympic medalist (Unless Leo is actually reading this, then I've always believed in you man!). But now I'm watching a guy that is performing on an even crazier level at the same relative age, and i can TOTALLY see this guy performing at the same level, or even higher. Do i honestly think that down the road he could be a sub 1:42 guy? Yeah, i really do. Do I think it's a guarantee? Noooo. But I believe in this kid and i think he just seems like a real decent young man as well. Similarly, do i think this performance indicates sub 1:43 potential later this year? Yeah, i really do. Do i think its guaranteed? Nope. But honestly, even if all he ran this year was this 1:44, i would still consider it a successful year given his age and life changes. Going from 17 years old, just able to buy an R rated ticket, to a professional is a big adjustment in 2 years. And i meant professional as in just an adult who does their job, not specifically a professional athlete. He's not racing for fun on the weekend with his friends and parents anymore. He's racing against people who do this to make a living. And now, he has to do it to make a living too. But i think he's got a great head on his shoulders and great support from whoever it is backing him. Those are characteristics i thought Leo had as well.
But with similarities, differences are always highlighted ya know? The first difference that comes to mind is DB went pro right out after his freshman year while Leo stayed in the NCAA which i thinks adds a bit more intrigue.
Okay, but what was his post workout like?
US 4 by 8 is looking better for Relays!
Us talent wrote:
US 4 by 8 is looking better for Relays!
US 4x8 is Murphy, Jock, Sowinski, and Loxsom w/ Kidder as the alternate. So Brazier's 1:44 doesn't help at all
quality control wrote:
HandWringingLiberal wrote:An amazing talent. Cheers. Now learn how to race in a crowd.
If the field could keep up maybe he'd have a "crowd" to run in.
Do you want him to stop and stand still for two second during the race?
I can't help but imagine that when Murphy and Brazier are both peaked well at a championship meet that we'll see something like the battles between Symmonds and Solomon in their prime
JRinaldi wrote:
Brazier ran 1:45.07 pr and 1:43.55 pr, plus two legs of the 4x400 (46 point and 45 point) on both days and you think this guy can't handle rounds!
Very good point.