Trans runner competes against girls

This is freakin' ridiculous.

alternate universe wrote:

This is freakin' ridiculous.

Completely agree. Where will this stop? The emperor has no clothes.

alternate universe wrote:

This is freakin' ridiculous.

As someone who is generally way left politically, let me just say, Yep, this is ridiculous.

For all the anti-left posts (there's one on the first page of this thread) that are made when this issue comes up (which is seemingly more frequent), I will say that I know a lot of liberals who know this is a problem. A lot of liberals fought tooth and nail for women's rights and opportunities in sports and don't want to see all that work trivialized this way. I'm finding that the best angle with my liberal friends is to position this as "continuing to be pro-woman" and not "anti-transgender."

This seems a time for everyone to agree that one person's rights end where another person's begin.

This dude is going to own all the girls high school sprinting records in a couple years.

Wow, what a trainwreck the leftists have gotten themselves into. It will be interesting to see how this play out.

Why are people accepting this as something other than mental illness. Explain please.

You all must hate facts and Science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfO1veFs6Ho

Ben Shapiro being threatened by a Man with male anatomoy, meaning a Ding Dong, a Wee Wee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA8ZCWmVoTY

Outrageous. But you can't say you weren't warned.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8121955

I believe that transgendered individuals do view themselves as truly belonging to the opposite gender. And they should be treated as such - socially.

However, in competitive sports they need to compete based on their physiology not their psychological identity.

Just because you feel like a girl doesn't mean you run like a girl.

I completely agree with this post and the post it responded to.

Watch the video. Those are two wonderful, supportive parents--models, really, of how to accept this sort of situation.

The athlete, too, seems like a likeable, loveable person.

Problem is, allowing him/her to compete as a girl makes a mockery of the gender division within HS athletics. It's just a flat-out sham, and both the parents and coach know it. The coach broadcasts a fascinating mixture of craven opportunism and starry-eyed idealism. Basically he's saying "No comment!" But he's thinking "This is f--ked up, but damn, I'm going to clean UP with this dude."

I'm totally disinclined to demonize the athlete. He's just a girl in a dude's body, and he's lucky enough to be living at a moment when ideas about gender identity are in flux in a way that enables him to be "out," rather than forced to live a lie. That's great. I heartily applaud him/her for being brave enough to live an honest life in the daylight.

But I wish he/she had enough integrity to say, "You know, I LOVE to run, and I LOVE to compete, but I know what is fair, and I know that running against the girls, in this body, is unfair."

Instead, by playing starry-eyed princess, he/she's trying to skate over a big, fat, and hugely inconvenient truth, which is that he's a dude stealing races, and records, from the girls.

So: bravo for her. And shame on him.

26 conservative states are under the median household income in the United States. Most democratic states are above the median. What does that say for your theory about leftism failing?

The notion of trans athletes competing against physically inferior athletes is bizarre and will surely be limited when people come to terms with the likely consequences.

The issue has been viewed with regard to sympathy for the trans athletes, and hence, has ignored the other athletes, who will suffer and cannot compete. This athlete ran 11.99 on a cold day without blocks at 15, is already much bigger than any of the girls pictured, is muscular, has a mustache growing, and has a father who played college football. I don't mean to disparage this athlete, but there will be a vast, vast disparity in athletic ability with the girls by the end of high school. At 18 and maybe 6'2" 220, this runner will absolutely destroy the other athletes and probably shatter all girls national sprint records. This is the first big step to the end of women's athletics. Why not future national championships in 10.5 or better?

sundown wrote:

26 conservative states are under the median household income in the United States. Most democratic states are above the median. What does that say for your theory about leftism failing?

The notion of trans athletes competing against physically inferior athletes is bizarre and will surely be limited when people come to terms with the likely consequences.

I just want to point out the folly of your argument as you can really manipulate statistics to tell whatever story you choose. The cost of living is much higher in liberal states so shockingly employers have to pay more. Things are cheaper in red states. You really have to look at the standard of living. Some of the highest crime areas are the areas you are touting as successful.

Leftism has always failed in history as eventually everyone gets pulled into a socialism structure and shockingly things don't work out. But let me guess, this time is different, right.

luv2run wrote:

Oinker wrote:

Shes an inspiration. Good for her. No problem for being yourself. You are in prison if you judge others

With that last line, are you not judging others? Not only that you are taking away one's freedom.

Oh, and judging others is part of what humans do for a variety of reasons.

As for the issue

1) Interesting that the reporter did not ask the girls she beat about how they felt.

2) The only solution I can think of is to have classifications based on testosterone levels. If you between A and B, you race Div 3; if between C and D, you race Div 2: greater than D and you are Div 1. Sort of like weight classes in combat sports.

"Solution"?

For 10,000 years society has done just fine recognizing two genders. Why do we need to overhaul basic norms to please a few mentally ill freaks?

Two categories, male and female. To be female you must have XX chromosomes and female hormone levels. If you don't like what biology gave you then tough shit.

Simplicity wrote:

Males vs. Males

Females vs. Females

Transgenders vs. Transgenders

Not complicated

There is no evidence HE has female genitals. Why is the word genitals not inserted into Public Bathroom legislation instead of gender? As in, "use the bathroom most consistent with your genitals".

Down goes FloJo! wrote:

I always thought I would not live to see FloJo's 100 and 200 world records go down, nor Koch's 400 or Kratochvilova's 800.

They will all fall in the next 10 years by a man "identifying" as a woman.

Now I am wondering if I will see the first sub-4:00 mile by a woman...

So will this make Sheila Reid wrong?

11.99 is a very good time for a freshman and she has probably not gone through puberty entirely yet. Wait until she does.

Yes, I believe that a sub 4 mile is possible for a woman.

Reg Fields wrote:

I just want to point out the folly of your argument as you can really manipulate statistics to tell whatever story you choose. The cost of living is much higher in liberal states so shockingly employers have to pay more. Things are cheaper in red states. You really have to look at the standard of living. Some of the highest crime areas are the areas you are touting as successful.

Leftism has always failed in history as eventually everyone gets pulled into a socialism structure and shockingly things don't work out. But let me guess, this time is different, right.

Leftists scum love to point out that red states make less money, all the while convenitly forgetting about cost of living and quality of living. They are so fixated in a single metric ($$) that they are blinded to all the other things you pointed out.

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11.99 is a very good time for a freshman and she has probably not gone through puberty entirely yet. Wait until she does.

Yes, I believe that a sub 4 mile is possible for a woman.

It ranks her 11th nationally for freshmen this year. Was that her first track meet ever? I don't see her name in the rankings on dyestat right now. I think that she has a very good shot at making the US team for world youth. That would be amazing. It would put female trans athlete on the map.

I looked at the 2016 ranks no for freshmen boys. A 10.98 performance is top 50. If she could simply get to top 50 level, she would also make the senior nationals and have a good shot at making the WC team (for relay duty if not for the 100m).

Is 2017 the breakout year?

x1000

And I'm 1000% equal rights girls / boys women / men, am very far left politically (scoff at idiots who think the New York Times is "liberal" (sic))...

But this is asinine, ridiculous and destructive to everything laudable and good about sports.

This kid and others like HIM is a jackass and even if "immature," how the hell could he (or anyone) be "proud" of his accomplishments?