The emperor has no clothes: Jemima Sumgong has tested positive for EPO!!!

douglas burke wrote:

sundown wrote:

You're the guy always trumpeting these athletes whose superiority may well be based largely on drugs. Why didn't Kenyans and Ethiopians dominate the world until the Italian coaches arrived, along with EPO, in the 1990s? They were very good and very competitive but could be beaten and often were. Now everyone can run 2:05 or better on the men's side and 1:04-6 halfs on the women's side, while running 30-31 enroute.

Some of them are obviously n drugs as are athletes from all countries including the USA and the cheating will get worse as countries become more secular because people who believe this is the only life we get wont worry about having to explain to God their wrongdoings, I blast cheaters, but not excessively as I have done and thought so much wrong, they are probably angels by comparison.

Anyway if it is all drugs why wouldn't these Italian Coaches use them on Italian runners who were at one time great with Cova, Antibo, Panetta, Baldini etc. If they made stars out of their own countrymen and other Europeans who would be far more marketable than Africans, and if the coaches are getting a percentage of their runners earnings, it would make sense to cheat using European Runners who would make them a LOT more money.

Also Italian and European runners are not only not as good as the Africans, they are not as good as their countrymen and continentmen who are now in their 60's and 70's Example Chris Thompson with his 27:27 for 10000 is about 20th on the European list (Not Counting Africans running for Europe) and Danielle Mucci with his 27:32 (Born 1985) is 35th, these are the only 2 Europeans born after 1980 who have run under 27:45 the qualifying time to get into Worlds.

It would not even look suspicious if they ran faster than their countrymen who were in their prime 30-40 or more years ago.

Just another guy wrote:

Did those Kenyan runners from the 80's just not care as much as they do now? Because now you got 70 or 80 Africans now running as good or better than the best Africans of the 80's, and some those guys have marginal coaching.

In contrast, you have run crazy country, in Japan, that is extremely dilligent agaisnt doping, that has basically disappeared from the world scene in the same time frame of the African take over. (For reference in 1966, 15 of the top 17 marathon times were japanese)

It makes me feel better when I just eliminate the ethiopian kenyan turkish and russian results from any distance race. And the Jamaicans from any sprint.

sundown wrote:

Wait a minute. Ethiopian and Kenyan runners, like others in their countries, are extremely likely to be religious, as are Moroccans. That is clearly no major hurdle to doping. This has nothing to do with secularism. It is about ca$h and fame. As for European runners, they have allowed themselves to be mentally defeated by the idea of African superiority so that most don't compete and don't believe they can compete. If it turns out at that African superiority has been based largely on cheating, more's the pity. But Americans are performing better than in the 1980s and with good results in Rio when the Kenyan men were mysteriously hors de combat for the most part, but largely on the outside and dominated, despite having many guys at low 13 and quite a few sub 13, and other comparable times. On the circuit, seven Kenyans and a few others might beat all the Americans, if the Americans are even in the race, but then sometimes at the Championships where drug testing may actually take place and occasionally be publicized, we're a lot closer.

wejo wrote:

Just another guy wrote:

Did those Kenyan runners from the 80's just not care as much as they do now? Because now you got 70 or 80 Africans now running as good or better than the best Africans of the 80's, and some those guys have marginal coaching.

In contrast, you have run crazy country, in Japan, that is extremely dilligent agaisnt doping, that has basically disappeared from the world scene in the same time frame of the African take over. (For reference in 1966, 15 of the top 17 marathon times were japanese)

It makes me feel better when I just eliminate the ethiopian kenyan turkish and russian results from any distance race. And the Jamaicans from any sprint.

Doping is obviously a problem in Kenya but don't pretend there aren't way more Kenyan runners competing now than in the 1980s. To say they are all doping is way too simplistic.

sundown wrote:

Wait a minute. Ethiopian and Kenyan runners, like others in their countries, are extremely likely to be religious, as are Moroccans. That is clearly no major hurdle to doping. This has nothing to do with secularism. It is about ca$h and fame. As for European runners, they have allowed themselves to be mentally defeated by the idea of African superiority so that most don't compete and don't believe they can compete. If it turns out at that African superiority has been based largely on cheating, more's the pity. But Americans are performing better than in the 1980s and with good results in Rio when the Kenyan men were mysteriously hors de combat for the most part, but largely on the outside and dominated, despite having many guys at low 13 and quite a few sub 13, and other comparable times. On the circuit, seven Kenyans and a few others might beat all the Americans, if the Americans are even in the race, but then sometimes at the Championships where drug testing may actually take place and occasionally be publicized, we're a lot closer.

You can't cherry pick your data. Sumgong, Kipchoge, Rudisha, Kipyegon all won the Olympics. One reason we're a lot cloer at the Olympics is only 3 Kenyans and Ethiopians are allowed to enter and there are no rabbits.

There is drug testing at Diamond League events.

My point is saying "All Kenyans are doping" is way too simplistic. Just as is "All Americans are clean"