Kara's mixed messages about AlSal can be puzzling..

Obese America wrote:

The unsettling part every time this resurfaces is that Goucher doesn't acknowledge how much she benefited from his style of coaching. Wants to tear it down instead.

Same with Magness. Practically every piece of press attention he received prior to this story was with the label of "former NOP coach" to give him credibility. He has benefited immensely with that on his resume and had no problem exploiting that.

Ungrateful people. Disloyal. Non-hirable in the future. That's what Goucher doesn't understand, sponsors appreciate loyalty.

Maybe she's been a bit humbled by it all - she's human afterall, and a very well-known face. We all have human weaknesses, so perhaps she's not such a bad deal for a sponsor - in the end, we all recognise that mistakes are made, and fame-is-fame these days, no matter how you get it. Her personal struggles may actually make her endearing to many women particularly.

Plus, that 4th place US marathon trials placing was a massive comeback - regardless of all of the apparent bitterness and past personal history with AlSal, you have to have respect for that. It was a fantastic effort for a 38 year old mother of one. Maybe we haven't seen the last of her yet? She can still go for the next one.

Bro she's not going to sleep with you because you keep defending her.

Being a mother of one is not an impediment or some sort of unnatural burden.

Essentially, the criticism is that she is delusional or narcissistic? She provided substantial evidence of Salazar's cheating, cost herself a lot of money (remember that she made many magazine covers and even the gossip columnist Liz Smith raved about her after she won that bronze, now silver, in 2007, and likely titles or medals, and after years of injuries, at 38 just over a year ago, over eight years after her world bronze/silver, finished 4th in the Trials, and one of those ahead needed a personal pacer and water bottle mule to finish. Appreciate someone who is both of strong character and one of our greatest female distance runners (if you are attacking her, ask yourself whether you satisfy either criterion, whistle-blower or medal winner--try a never was and a vicious critic of everyone but themselves). As for the question of an affair with Salazar, entirely possible, none of our business, and possibly just strong feelings related to the head butting of two very strong personalities.

Just does not add up. She claims to have seen illegal activity, keeps her mouth shut, leaves, waits, then opens up. Sorry, a heroic and real whistleblower does it in the midst of the storm, not later. I also agree that it makes no sense that she achieved more than any of Sals runners but, according to her, was the only clean one. Right..........

sadfasdfasf wrote:

JUSTICE IS COMING!!!

MY SONNNNNN!!!!

I don't see any mixed messages. Salazar could be an excellent coach who ALSO experiments with PEDs. The two are not mutually exclusive. The former is what led her to run fast and win a World Championships medal. The latter is what made her uncomfortable to the point she left NOP. It was not only Goucher who was uncomfortable with Salazar's practices. Magness also expressed his concerns after he left/was fired from the group. Also, Goucher was in her physical prime when with Salazar so it is likely she would have run her best times regardless of who coached her during that period. And while Goucher had a smashing marathon debut, she never ran faster than that, which is very, very curious. The USADA report pretty clearly states they believed Salazar crossed the line with his methods -- i.e. he did illegal things.

OhGod wrote:

Cytomel Claim: what I don't get about this is that we know for a fact that Karas Dr instructed AlSal to give Cytomel to Kara.

A Dr cannot instruct anyone to give someone prescription controlled drugs of any kind, let alone some else's prescribed drugs.

Each individual must have a unique prescription with their name, the Dr's name, the dosage--time & amount--, when to take it, and if refills are allow. Each controlled prescription is also number coded. That means it can be traced from the user, the Dr, the pharmacy and the drug maker down to the specific batch used to make the drug that was taken.

OhGawd2 wrote:

OhGod wrote:

Cytomel Claim: what I don't get about this is that we know for a fact that Karas Dr instructed AlSal to give Cytomel to Kara.

A Dr cannot instruct anyone to give someone prescription controlled drugs of any kind, let alone some else's prescribed drugs.

Each individual must have a unique prescription with their name, the Dr's name, the dosage--time & amount--, when to take it, and if refills are allow. Each controlled prescription is also number coded. That means it can be traced from the user, the Dr, the pharmacy and the drug maker down to the specific batch used to make the drug that was taken.

Dam I thought my writing was bad. You were trying to sound smart? ?

Kara is Hot!

Pretzel Man wrote:

Dam I thought my writing was bad. You were trying to sound smart? ?

You have nothing to contribute as is always the case. Dam [sic] it!!

NOP is most definitely on fire. The Kara haters have proven it.

OhGod wrote:

Cytomel Claim: what I don't get about this is that we know for a fact that Karas Dr instructed AlSal to give Cytomel to Kara. Kara argues that she's talking about a different time. In that case is it so hard to believe that her Dr also instructed him to give it to her that time? On top of that if she is already taking Cytomel, why is it such a big deal if he gives it to her? Lastly it's not a banned substance so she really isn't accusing them of doping, just prescription drug laws?

Either way I've heard more than enough from her and would prefer if the media put their efforts into someone else who isn't craving attention.

Was she not on Cytomel previous to joining NOP?

Presumably she could have been off of it during pregnancy.

If AS offered her some to carry her over to getting on it again by prescription, that would be wrong.

However it is unproven, and it would have been a permitted TUE med she had already been on.

Let's note here that propably thousands of times here anonymous morans have posted that everyone at NOP was on "thyroid" meds... when according to AS public statement covered that... And could easily be verified by USADA.

Sadly, Kara doesn't seem too bright any way you look at it.

That dude comes across as some kind of cult leader. Such people usually have sex with most of the followers.

Cult Daddy in the forest wrote:

That dude comes across as some kind of cult leader. Such people usually have sex with most of the followers.

His #1 cult followers are Rupp, Farah and Centro. What are you implying here?