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7 years ago 04/02/2017 8:39pm EDT

I was curious as to the update on the Aden scandal from Spain. Seems his 400m runner is only a shade of his former self, Dibaba has dropped a notch, and Souileman is no longer the 1:42/13.1x man of promise he once was. I also don't see him associated with Qatar anymore with Balla being arrested and Bideau taking the helm. The last link to any info was the Summer of 2016. Was the Driouch positive and Spain bust enough to rid the sport of him? Is this just another case of "if we don't talk about it, people will forget"? I also seem to remember Bile's son leaving Georgetown to run for Qatar. I hope he doesn't get involved in all that. Seemed like a really good kid!

7 years ago 04/03/2017 2:03am EDT

re: Intravenous de milo

Dibaba dropped a notch?? She has been blazing since her loss in Rio. She has actually cranked it up. Right after the olympics, she damn near broke the mile record. She broke the indoor 2000 meter record earlier this year!

ran the 800 meters in 2:00.62

and ran the 1000 meters in 2:33.06

She is going to destroy the WC!

7 years ago 04/03/2017 8:14am EDT

re: scorpion_runner

scorpion_runner wrote:
Dibaba dropped a notch?? She has been blazing since her loss in Rio. She has actually cranked it up. Right after the olympics, she damn near broke the mile record. She broke the indoor 2000 meter record earlier this year!
ran the 800 meters in 2:00.62
and ran the 1000 meters in 2:33.06
She is going to destroy the WC!

2:00/2:33- Both times that she essentially split over the last 1k to her 3:50 wr of the year previous. (Previous doped Chinese WR from Ma's Army, specifically.) That's dropping a notch in my opinion. Bronze in Rio was most certainly that. Her 2k wr is something that is rarely ever run- somewhat soft as far as wr's go.

7 years ago 04/03/2017 8:16am EDT

re: scorpion_runner

scorpion_runner wrote:
Dibaba dropped a notch?? She has been blazing since her loss in Rio. She has actually cranked it up. Right after the olympics, she damn near broke the mile record. She broke the indoor 2000 meter record earlier this year!
ran the 800 meters in 2:00.62
and ran the 1000 meters in 2:33.06
She is going to destroy the WC!

No, I agree with the OP-- she has definitely dropped a notch. Remember just about 18 months ago, she closed a 1500m final in 2:32 for the final 1000m. 2:33 is nothing special for her... that is basically her PR pace for a race over a lap longer.

Also, look at her performance last week in Uganda. It may have been the terrain, but she made up no time on a no-name Kenyan and was closed on by Can of Turkey.

I hate to think that somebody of that stardom was actually guilty of doping, but she certainly is only a shadow of the runner she was in 2015.

7 years ago 04/03/2017 1:32pm EDT

re: CDA

Dibaba has traditionally run her best indoors and early outdoor season. She trains in Ethiopia, where there is lax testing. She still has the benefits of PEDs early in the season, but when she goes to Europe for Diamond League meets or runs a major championship where she will be tested, she has to stop or microdose, which lowers her effectiveness.

7 years ago 04/03/2017 1:36pm EDT

re: Intravenous de milo

Intravenous de milo wrote:
Seemed like a really good kid!

In what way did he seem like a really good kid? Seemed as shady as the "clock boy."

7 years ago 04/03/2017 2:45pm EDT

re: Intravenous de milo

Dibaba is no dopler!

7 years ago 04/03/2017 3:21pm EDT

re: Daniel the Cat

7 years ago 04/03/2017 3:38pm EDT

re: CDA

CDA wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:
Dibaba dropped a notch?? She has been blazing since her loss in Rio. She has actually cranked it up. Right after the olympics, she damn near broke the mile record. She broke the indoor 2000 meter record earlier this year!
ran the 800 meters in 2:00.62
and ran the 1000 meters in 2:33.06
She is going to destroy the WC!
No, I agree with the OP-- she has definitely dropped a notch. Remember just about 18 months ago, she closed a 1500m final in 2:32 for the final 1000m. 2:33 is nothing special for her... that is basically her PR pace for a race over a lap longer.
Also, look at her performance last week in Uganda. It may have been the terrain, but she made up no time on a no-name Kenyan and was closed on by Can of Turkey.
I hate to think that somebody of that stardom was actually guilty of doping, but she certainly is only a shadow of the runner she was in 2015.

What race were you watching? Ethiopians were 15 seconds behind when she took off. She made up 8 seconds. I watched the race. She went out blazing, and was closing the gap at the end. If there was another 400 to 600 meters she would have won. She gave a huge, huge effort on grass.

We just agree to disagree. Again, this woman damn near broke the outdoor mile record right after the loss in Rio...And she suffered a toe injury earlier in the year last year...

Also, she ran the best time in the indoor 1500 this year. No one has been better than her in indoor running this year...no one.

At the age of 26, I don't see anything that showcases a regression in her running.She is going to destroy the Diamond league and WC...

https://www.iaaf.org/news/report/copernicus-cup-torun-2017-dibaba-jozwik

7 years ago 04/03/2017 4:13pm EDT

re: scorpion_runner

scorpion_runner wrote:
Ethiopians were 15 seconds behind when she took off. She made up 8 seconds. I watched the race. She went out blazing, and was closing the gap at the end. If there was another 400 to 600 meters she would have won.

You may be right on other aspects of your post but the "if there was another XXX meters" thing doesn't work. The Kenyan runner would have paced it differently if the race was longer.

7 years ago 04/03/2017 4:37pm EDT

re: scorpion_runner

scorpion_runner wrote:
CDA wrote:
No, I agree with the OP-- she has definitely dropped a notch. Remember just about 18 months ago, she closed a 1500m final in 2:32 for the final 1000m. 2:33 is nothing special for her... that is basically her PR pace for a race over a lap longer.
Also, look at her performance last week in Uganda. It may have been the terrain, but she made up no time on a no-name Kenyan and was closed on by Can of Turkey.
I hate to think that somebody of that stardom was actually guilty of doping, but she certainly is only a shadow of the runner she was in 2015.
What race were you watching? Ethiopians were 15 seconds behind when she took off. She made up 8 seconds. I watched the race. She went out blazing, and was closing the gap at the end. If there was another 400 to 600 meters she would have won. She gave a huge, huge effort on grass.
We just agree to disagree. Again, this woman damn near broke the outdoor mile record right after the loss in Rio...And she suffered a toe injury earlier in the year last year...
Also, she ran the best time in the indoor 1500 this year. No one has been better than her in indoor running this year...no one.
At the age of 26, I don't see anything that showcases a regression in her running.She is going to destroy the Diamond league and WC...
https://www.iaaf.org/news/report/copernicus-cup-torun-2017-dibaba-jozwik

It will be interesting to see what transpires!

7 years ago 04/03/2017 4:44pm EDT

re: ardhb

ardhb wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:
Ethiopians were 15 seconds behind when she took off. She made up 8 seconds. I watched the race. She went out blazing, and was closing the gap at the end. If there was another 400 to 600 meters she would have won.
You may be right on other aspects of your post but the "if there was another XXX meters" thing doesn't work. The Kenyan runner would have paced it differently if the race was longer.

You have a point. However, that woman was closing in fast on grass, and on a hot day where bodies were falling all over the place due to the weather....But it was Kiprop who made that race what it was. I'm just saying Dibaba was better than the person she was chasing, since she ate into the lead. She GAINED ground.

Point being, Dibaba is still the dominant one at 1500m, and possibly the greatest ever at that distance. And I don't expect her to fall off anytime soon. That woman loves to race, and race hard.

peace.

7 years ago 04/03/2017 6:00pm EDT

re: scorpion_runner

scorpion_runner wrote:
CDA wrote:
No, I agree with the OP-- she has definitely dropped a notch. Remember just about 18 months ago, she closed a 1500m final in 2:32 for the final 1000m. 2:33 is nothing special for her... that is basically her PR pace for a race over a lap longer.
Also, look at her performance last week in Uganda. It may have been the terrain, but she made up no time on a no-name Kenyan and was closed on by Can of Turkey.
I hate to think that somebody of that stardom was actually guilty of doping, but she certainly is only a shadow of the runner she was in 2015.
What race were you watching? Ethiopians were 15 seconds behind when she took off. She made up 8 seconds. I watched the race. She went out blazing, and was closing the gap at the end. If there was another 400 to 600 meters she would have won. She gave a huge, huge effort on grass.
We just agree to disagree. Again, this woman damn near broke the outdoor mile record right after the loss in Rio...And she suffered a toe injury earlier in the year last year...
Also, she ran the best time in the indoor 1500 this year. No one has been better than her in indoor running this year...no one.
At the age of 26, I don't see anything that showcases a regression in her running.She is going to destroy the Diamond league and WC...
https://www.iaaf.org/news/report/copernicus-cup-torun-2017-dibaba-jozwik

Obviously not the same race you were watching.

https://youtu.be/G-8IdtvqXms

Take a look at this race-- you will be less confused! The Kenyan got the wrist band at 16:52... they flash back at the line at 17:03 and Dibaba is already gone. That means 10 seconds AT MOST. She finished 8 seconds adrift. So at most she made up what... 2... maybe 3 seconds? She is the WORLD RECORD HOLDER at like everything. Give me a break. You also claim she was closing the gap at the end... BS! She got the gap down to 4.7 seconds with 400m left (I timed it on the video and have witnesses that were actually at the event) and then finished 8 seconds behind by the time she finished. She was fading. An extra 400m or 600m as you say would have likely handed her the bronze, not the silver.

She might very well find her old form by the summer, but nothing she has done this winter would suggest that.

There are other things wrong with your claim, but I don't feel like pointing them out to you.

7 years ago 04/03/2017 6:33pm EDT

re: CDA

CDA wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:
What race were you watching? Ethiopians were 15 seconds behind when she took off. She made up 8 seconds. I watched the race. She went out blazing, and was closing the gap at the end. If there was another 400 to 600 meters she would have won. She gave a huge, huge effort on grass.
We just agree to disagree. Again, this woman damn near broke the outdoor mile record right after the loss in Rio...And she suffered a toe injury earlier in the year last year...
Also, she ran the best time in the indoor 1500 this year. No one has been better than her in indoor running this year...no one.
At the age of 26, I don't see anything that showcases a regression in her running.She is going to destroy the Diamond league and WC...
https://www.iaaf.org/news/report/copernicus-cup-torun-2017-dibaba-jozwik
Obviously not the same race you were watching.
https://youtu.be/G-8IdtvqXms
Take a look at this race-- you will be less confused! The Kenyan got the wrist band at 16:52... they flash back at the line at 17:03 and Dibaba is already gone. That means 10 seconds AT MOST. She finished 8 seconds adrift. So at most she made up what... 2... maybe 3 seconds? She is the WORLD RECORD HOLDER at like everything. Give me a break. You also claim she was closing the gap at the end... BS! She got the gap down to 4.7 seconds with 400m left (I timed it on the video and have witnesses that were actually at the event) and then finished 8 seconds behind by the time she finished. She was fading. An extra 400m or 600m as you say would have likely handed her the bronze, not the silver.
She might very well find her old form by the summer, but nothing she has done this winter would suggest that.
There are other things wrong with your claim, but I don't feel like pointing them out to you.

Good post. Agree with OP. Dibaba isn't on the juice anymore. See certain Olympians in Scotland for further examples.

7 years ago 04/03/2017 7:09pm EDT

re: Not in Uganda

I also agree with the OP. Her still being faster than most doesn't mean she hasn't dropped a notch. She's not the runner she used to be, and we don't know for sure if it's doping, but it is awfully coincidental.

7 years ago 04/03/2017 8:26pm EDT

re: CDA

Again, what video were you watching? And do understand what Cross Country is when it comes to the course?

Listen to the part where the announcer says : Dibaba is catching, closing, and gaining...look at the distance she made up on grass, one of the toughest CC courses in the world, and on a hot day where bodies were dropping ( especially in the women's junior race).

If that race was on track, forget about it. Dibaba would have caught her. I have no doubt about it.

Just give the woman here due for digging deep when her teammates didn't do a good job.

Also, go to the end of the race where the announcer states that she made up 8 seconds.

Anyway, this is a big big year in track and field, bigger than the olympics in my opinion. ...World Championship, and we shall see where she is as a runner. At the age of 26, that woman is still on top of the world, and very deep in her prime.

I will talk to you then, because I will be here.

https://youtu.be/96SwvApO4pY?t=1929

7 years ago 04/03/2017 8:39pm EDT

re: scorpion_runner

scorpion_runner wrote:
Again, what video were you watching? And do understand what Cross Country is when it comes to the course?
Listen to the part where the announcer says : Dibaba is catching, closing, and gaining...look at the distance she made up on grass, one of the toughest CC courses in the world, and on a hot day where bodies were dropping ( especially in the women's junior race).
If that race was on track, forget about it. Dibaba would have caught her. I have no doubt about it.
Just give the woman here due for digging deep when her teammates didn't do a good job.
Also, go to the end of the race where the announcer states that she made up 8 seconds.
Anyway, this is a big big year in track and field, bigger than the olympics in my opinion. ...World Championship, and we shall see where she is as a runner. At the age of 26, that woman is still on top of the world, and very deep in her prime.
I will talk to you then, because I will be here.
https://youtu.be/96SwvApO4pY?t=1929

What video? Did you not see the video? I attached it and provided step by step instructions to facilitate your comprehension.

Younwould not be a very good lawyer. I literally just provided concrete footage of the gap and how she didn't make anything up. You then use the commentators' words as proof. Hint: when you have a video of what happened... you don't need testimonies anymore. Also, appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.

You provided a good straw man, though! Like at least a 5/10.... "well, since they have proof she didn't make up any distance... let's say we have to give her a break because she gave it her all!"

Paula Radcliffe said at that end that Can was catching her... and she is the world record holder at the marathon!! She must be right! (Example of appeal to authority... you should call me on that).

I am a big Dibaba fan, but I also have objective eyes. Hope she does well this summer!

7 years ago 04/03/2017 11:44pm EDT

re: CDA

CDA wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:
Again, what video were you watching? And do understand what Cross Country is when it comes to the course?
Listen to the part where the announcer says : Dibaba is catching, closing, and gaining...look at the distance she made up on grass, one of the toughest CC courses in the world, and on a hot day where bodies were dropping ( especially in the women's junior race).
If that race was on track, forget about it. Dibaba would have caught her. I have no doubt about it.
Just give the woman here due for digging deep when her teammates didn't do a good job.
Also, go to the end of the race where the announcer states that she made up 8 seconds.
Anyway, this is a big big year in track and field, bigger than the olympics in my opinion. ...World Championship, and we shall see where she is as a runner. At the age of 26, that woman is still on top of the world, and very deep in her prime.
I will talk to you then, because I will be here.
https://youtu.be/96SwvApO4pY?t=1929
What video? Did you not see the video? I attached it and provided step by step instructions to facilitate your comprehension.
Younwould not be a very good lawyer. I literally just provided concrete footage of the gap and how she didn't make anything up. You then use the commentators' words as proof. Hint: when you have a video of what happened... you don't need testimonies anymore. Also, appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.
You provided a good straw man, though! Like at least a 5/10.... "well, since they have proof she didn't make up any distance... let's say we have to give her a break because she gave it her all!"
Paula Radcliffe said at that end that Can was catching her... and she is the world record holder at the marathon!! She must be right! (Example of appeal to authority... you should call me on that).
I am a big Dibaba fan, but I also have objective eyes. Hope she does well this summer!

Please don't let facts get in the way in the future. Don't you know that you're on Letsrun?

7 years ago 04/04/2017 12:12am EDT

re: CDA

CDA wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:
What race were you watching? Ethiopians were 15 seconds behind when she took off. She made up 8 seconds. I watched the race. She went out blazing, and was closing the gap at the end. If there was another 400 to 600 meters she would have won. She gave a huge, huge effort on grass.
We just agree to disagree. Again, this woman damn near broke the outdoor mile record right after the loss in Rio...And she suffered a toe injury earlier in the year last year...
Also, she ran the best time in the indoor 1500 this year. No one has been better than her in indoor running this year...no one.
At the age of 26, I don't see anything that showcases a regression in her running.She is going to destroy the Diamond league and WC...
https://www.iaaf.org/news/report/copernicus-cup-torun-2017-dibaba-jozwik
Obviously not the same race you were watching.
https://youtu.be/G-8IdtvqXms
Take a look at this race-- you will be less confused! The Kenyan got the wrist band at 16:52... they flash back at the line at 17:03 and Dibaba is already gone. That means 10 seconds AT MOST. She finished 8 seconds adrift. So at most she made up what... 2... maybe 3 seconds? She is the WORLD RECORD HOLDER at like everything. Give me a break. You also claim she was closing the gap at the end... BS! She got the gap down to 4.7 seconds with 400m left (I timed it on the video and have witnesses that were actually at the event) and then finished 8 seconds behind by the time she finished. She was fading. An extra 400m or 600m as you say would have likely handed her the bronze, not the silver.
She might very well find her old form by the summer, but nothing she has done this winter would suggest that.
There are other things wrong with your claim, but I don't feel like pointing them out to you.

And for those who think the Kenyan is an unknown, that is not the case as Beatrice Chepkoech is a former 1500m runner(silver or bronze medal in African champs) and has a PR of 4:03 and definitely much faster now. So maybe a 4 flat runner. She is however better known as a steepler and finished 4th in Rio Olympics and improved her 3000m steeple chase time from 9:18 to 9:10 in her first season of taking up the specialty. I hope we will see her race Dibaba and Faith Kipngetich in a few 1500m races in the diamond league.

7 years ago 04/04/2017 4:51am EDT

re: Intravenous de milo

I haven't seen any updates since June of last year, when:

- Spanish newspapers reported that the "Mossos" found EPO specifically in the hotel rooms of Saudi physiotherapist Jama Ourid Mounir and the room shared by Musaeb Balla and a Yemen roomate, Yaser Mubarak

- Spanish newspapers reporting the "Mossos" finding "non-doping products" specifically in the hotel room of Aden, and recovered from the trash bins.

- All of the athletes were tested by the IAAF.

- Spanish courts, investigating possible trafficking of "non-doping substances" returned the passports to Aden and Balla, and let them return.

The IAAF has not issued any provisional bans or sanctions to either Aden, nor any of his athletes. But this might take time to exhaust all appeals.

The Spanish courts are investigating Aden for trafficking of non-doping substances, and endangering the health of athletes. This might also take time.

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