Without any doubt whatsoever, the Siemers brothers rule on doing the most with the least at the Colorado School of Mines (D2) and Colorado State University (D1). Absolutely remarkable records and both of these guys are honest and genuine human beings.
Coaching is do damn important, and it amazes me how some of those poorly led west coast schools can do so little with so much.
nodoubt@gmail.com wrote:
Without any doubt whatsoever, the Siemers brothers rule on doing the most with the least at the Colorado School of Mines (D2) and Colorado State University (D1). Absolutely remarkable records and both of these guys are honest and genuine human beings.
Coaching is do damn important, and it amazes me how some of those poorly led west coast schools can do so little with so much.
Have UCLA, UC-Berkeley, and USC developed any distance runners in the past few years? (I'm on east coast and haven't kept up with them)
A Hot Indoor Meet wrote:
Been there, done that wrote:Hard to argue with this...
I'll argue with it. Are these times converted or non-converted? I'll wait to see how many AA's these guys bring home from College Station before I agree that they are the next great thing. FWIW, not a big believer in the altitude free ride thing. As a retired D-I coach, I have seen far too many altitude kids whose legs just can't cover the distance in the speed that the conversion gives them credit for. It's almost as if the numbers say their lungs can do it, but their muscles aren't firing fast enough to get it done when it counts at a low altitude National Championship. Just my 2 cents.
Nice work writing a long response that is irrelevant because those times aren't altitude converted.
Nice work writing a long response that is irrelevant because those times aren't altitude converted.[/quote]
Well, lets see how many points they score at Nationals and if they bring hope any First Team AA certs. That will be the true test, then you can get back to slurping and guzzling.
not a phan wrote:
Nice work writing a long response that is irrelevant because those times aren't altitude converted.
Well, lets see how many points they score at Nationals and if they bring hope any First Team AA certs. That will be the true test, then you can get back to slurping and guzzling.[/quote]
The thread title isn't "who scores the most points at indoor nattys with the least" btw
Malemute Kid wrote:
not a phan wrote:Nice work writing a long response that is irrelevant because those times aren't altitude converted.
Well, lets see how many points they score at Nationals and if they bring home any First Team AA certs. That will be the true test, then you can get back to slurping and guzzling.
The thread title isn't "who scores the most points at indoor nattys with the least" btw[/quote]
Scoring at indoor or outdoor nattys IS about "the most" you can do with the least if you are a mid-major. In the real world, that is the standard for "doing something."
not a phan wrote:
Scoring at indoor or outdoor nattys IS about "the most" you can do with the least if you are a mid-major. In the real world, that is the standard for "doing something."
In the real world no one gives a shit about indoor or outdoor nattys. Now back to track reality - where 90% of the time the big point scorers indoors or outdoors were studs in high school. Boring debate, that. Actually have any teams to add to conversation?
Definitely Boston College.......
Haha kidding. FVCK those losers.
I'm impressed by Virginia Tech's strong men's indoor track squad so far this year. Anybody know about the coaching/training situation at that school?
I'm impressed by Virginia Tech's strong men's indoor track squad so far this year. Anybody know about the coaching/training situation at that school?[/quote]
They just got 2nd in the ncaa dmr with a 4:14 guy, a 1:52. guy, and a 4:09 guy (HS times). that's pretty impressive..
nodoubt@gmail.com wrote:
Without any doubt whatsoever, the Siemers brothers rule on doing the most with the least at the Colorado School of Mines (D2) and Colorado State University (D1). Absolutely remarkable records and both of these guys are honest and genuine human beings.
Coaching is do damn important, and it amazes me how some of those poorly led west coast schools can do so little with so much.
If my kids choose to run in college, I hope one goes to Mines (she's cut out for it academically, particularly math) and the other to CSU. Both are great runners already w/out "training" other than soccer and swimming respectively. I would be thrilled w/having them under the tutelage of these fine coaches.
Why do you call colleges and universities schools in US?
ukathleticcoach wrote:
Why do you call colleges and universities schools in US?
Are they not?
At the same time:
Which schools do the least with the most?
Least with the most is sad, but a reality.
I'd nominate Minnesota. Lots of talent/resource, but chronic underperformance. Plasencia has been turning 9:10 high school 3200 kids into 32:00 10k guy's for two decades.
The only guys who run well there are impervious to bad training, but even those guys--like Hassan Mead, flourish once they get away from the MN program.
true dat wrote:
I'm impressed by Virginia Tech's strong men's indoor track squad so far this year. Anybody know about the coaching/training situation at that school?
They just got 2nd in the ncaa dmr with a 4:14 guy, a 1:52. guy, and a 4:09 guy (HS times). that's pretty impressive..[/quote]
Those are solid high school times. And I've heard in their interviews that the coach peaks them well for championship meets, don't really time trial during the year like some teams do. I'll give what I think based off times.
Jaskowak- Looks like he ran pretty quick times each year of high school and is really hitting his stride now with Tech
Cianfarini- Pretty solid speed, looks like the 800 is his best event just hasn't hit his breakthrough race
Piazza- Transfer from New Hampshire, went to NCAAs for the 800. Good speed
Gourley- Good range, came from Scotland and did very well over there, competitive for European Championships
Ciattei- Legit speed(47-48 sec 400, 1:47 800) with a great kick.Split 3:58 in dmr and outkicked Wynne at ACC's and Heppenstall last year in the 800
Joseph- Another with great speed (1:46 800). Ran top high school times despite not having an indoor track season
Zarate- Really good range. 38-300 and 49-400 in high school up to 23rd at ACC's in xc. Another one with a good kick and wouldn't be surprised if he's winning national championships by the end of his tech career
because they are wrote:
ukathleticcoach wrote:Why do you call colleges and universities schools in US?
Are they not?
They are not the same so why not say college to differentiate. You only need to elaborate further later on so why not just write college in the first place
Va Tech is interesting because he is the coach that wants to limit scholarships in distance area. The counter argument to him is that it is very cheap to go to school there, they have awesome facilities (indoors is a new $20million track only facility) so they host great meets, and they also have a huge budget to travel everywhere outdoors.
A great question would be how many programs qualified more than one athlete in the distance are and not allowed to count DMR?
Stanford, Oregon, Va Tech, Michigan women. I am sure there are others but not many when you think of all the scholarships put towards distance runnng. For example, I don't think Portland and Iona had even one?
ukathleticcoach wrote:
because they are wrote:Are they not?
They are not the same so why not say college to differentiate. You only need to elaborate further later on so why not just write college in the first place
Apparently I missed the mass confusion on this thread where the OP had to come back and clarify. Everyone seems to know what he meant.
Pretty sure no wrote:
Va Tech is interesting because he is the coach that wants to limit scholarships in distance area. The counter argument to him is that it is very cheap to go to school there, they have awesome facilities (indoors is a new $20million track only facility) so they host great meets, and they also have a huge budget to travel everywhere outdoors.
A great question would be how many programs qualified more than one athlete in the distance are and not allowed to count DMR?
Stanford, Oregon, Va Tech, Michigan women. I am sure there are others but not many when you think of all the scholarships put towards distance runnng. For example, I don't think Portland and Iona had even one?
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