Michigan State does a remarkable job developing state level talent on both sides
Michigan State does a remarkable job developing state level talent on both sides
my vote wrote:
Penn State.
This. I believe that they do not currently even have a usable outdoor track.
You would think San Fran State would have some flaming fast runners?
My 7th and 8th grade track teams won every single scored meet we went to. There were only 7 of the first year and 9 the next. And one was deadweight, never scored.
St. Olaf
Jake campbell ran 4:29 in high school, ran 3:44 1500 and a 4:02 mile last year as a senior.
sayer of "this" wrote:
my vote wrote:Penn State.
This. I believe that they do not currently even have a usable outdoor track.
From the Penn State athletics web site:
The Big Ten Outdoor Track & Field Championships will be hosted by Penn State University in University Park, Pa. on the newly resurfaced outdoor track May 12-14.
Malemute Kid wrote:
Colorado State
Jefferson Abbey HS 1:58/4:22/9:33
at CSU (SR now): 7:51/13:50 XC AA
Cole Rockhold HS 2:00/4:13/9:07
at CSU (SO now): 3:59/8:06/13:53
Jerrell Mock HS 4:21/9:17
at CSU (SR now): 8:09/13:44
Grant Fischer HS 4:26/9:30
at CSU (JR now): 8:10/13:46/29:44
Ben Larson HS 4:33/9:54
at CSU (c/o 2015): 13:58/29:16
Now, most of these recruits are CO or UT so altitude and take that as you will.
Hard to argue with this...
Oregon does a great job
Portland
adams state, grand valley state, cortland state(back when they were good), calvin, chico, suny geneseo etc...
any d2-3 team that can run with the big boys!
BYU
Portland is an interesting pick as they operate a meat grinder. Get 15 recruits run them into the ground 2-3 survive, rest go away.
It seems like Portland is a poster boy for this. That being said, I have also heard that they use the "make or break" mentality. Just throw a bunch of eggs at the wall and see which ones don't break.
Mt. Nittany wrote:
sayer of "this" wrote:This. I believe that they do not currently even have a usable outdoor track.
From the Penn State athletics web site:
The Big Ten Outdoor Track & Field Championships will be hosted by Penn State University in University Park, Pa. on the newly resurfaced outdoor track May 12-14.
Both of these things are correct. They do not currently even have a usable outdoor track, and they will be hosting Big Tens in May.
mines is "slightly" more rigorous?that's a good joke.but you're right. Mines doesn't have the pull that Adams does for top runners looking to go D2. A team of engineering students where running is second to school has been a perennial top-10 and more recently top-5 finisher at nationals and most are walk-ons.Adams has a little pull, I mean, they get lots of international runners. Mines doesn't get international runners.
co runners wrote:
If you say Adams, why not say Mines? Both are close right now and Mines is a sightly more rigorous school. Does not get same level of recruits as Adams.
Good at handling talented kids. Terrible at developing kids. High athlete turnover rate with many kids that leave/kicked off the program.
Idontreallyknow wrote:
da man wrote:Assuming that you're talking distance. Men: VA Tech, Portland, CSU, MSU, Dartmouth, Providence.
Would hardly say VA Tech doesn't bring in talent. Pretty top guys out of high school with their current crop of runners
Been there, done that wrote:
Malemute Kid wrote:Colorado State
Jefferson Abbey HS 1:58/4:22/9:33
at CSU (SR now): 7:51/13:50 XC AA
Cole Rockhold HS 2:00/4:13/9:07
at CSU (SO now): 3:59/8:06/13:53
Jerrell Mock HS 4:21/9:17
at CSU (SR now): 8:09/13:44
Grant Fischer HS 4:26/9:30
at CSU (JR now): 8:10/13:46/29:44
Ben Larson HS 4:33/9:54
at CSU (c/o 2015): 13:58/29:16
Now, most of these recruits are CO or UT so altitude and take that as you will.
Hard to argue with this...
I'll argue with it. Are these times converted or non-converted? I'll wait to see how many AA's these guys bring home from College Station before I agree that they are the next great thing. FWIW, not a big believer in the altitude free ride thing. As a retired D-I coach, I have seen far too many altitude kids whose legs just can't cover the distance in the speed that the conversion gives them credit for. It's almost as if the numbers say their lungs can do it, but their muscles aren't firing fast enough to get it done when it counts at a low altitude National Championship. Just my 2 cents.
A Hot Indoor Meet wrote:
Been there, done that wrote:Hard to argue with this...
I'll argue with it. Are these times converted or non-converted? I'll wait to see how many AA's these guys bring home from College Station before I agree that they are the next great thing. FWIW, not a big believer in the altitude free ride thing. As a retired D-I coach, I have seen far too many altitude kids whose legs just can't cover the distance in the speed that the conversion gives them credit for. It's almost as if the numbers say their lungs can do it, but their muscles aren't firing fast enough to get it done when it counts at a low altitude National Championship. Just my 2 cents.
All of the times are non converted, I just didn't bother to see which ones were run in altitude at high school. 9:17 at 5000' being better than 9:17 at sea level for recruiting purposes
Malemute Kid wrote:
Colorado State
Jefferson Abbey HS 1:58/4:22/9:33
at CSU (SR now): 7:51/13:50 XC AA
Cole Rockhold HS 2:00/4:13/9:07
at CSU (SO now): 3:59/8:06/13:53
Jerrell Mock HS 4:21/9:17
at CSU (SR now): 8:09/13:44
Grant Fischer HS 4:26/9:30
at CSU (JR now): 8:10/13:46/29:44
Ben Larson HS 4:33/9:54
at CSU (c/o 2015): 13:58/29:16
Let me add
Ricardo Kaempfen HS 4:32/9:57
at CSU (SR now) 4:05/14:39/30:36