Kipchoge claims his 59:17 was a 60% effort (total BS) - if that's true then why did Desisa run 62+

People who struggle with this are seriously retarded. It is not formulaic or mathematical but rather a way of expressing that it didn't feel that hard. If analyzed anyway it's a measure of pain so probably halfway between pain of a threshold effort and all out.

Bingo Fontana!

It's saying that it takes big increments of extra effort to make relatively small gains.

A 3:50 miler can run sub for with 60% effort.

80% effort gets them 3:53

90% gets them 3:51

100% gets them 3:50

They break 3:50 when they give 110%

Former HS math teacher wrote:

Kenyans are known for their bravado but can someone please tell me why if Kipchoge was running at 60% effort today that Desisa ran over 62 minutes? I'm assuming Desisa was going at 100%.

As a former HS math teacher, it just doesn't compute. I mean Kipchoge and Desisa are fairly similar in terms of ability (i know kipchoge is better but in the grand scheme of things they are like within 1-2% of each other). It just doesn't add up.

Stick to high school math buddy.

On a pancake flat track with a slipstream in front of you from an electric car, AND core temperature pills, AND springy shoes, AND fluids being given to you in stride there is no reason to believe this wasn't a tempo effort.

Regarding Desisa running 62 minutes, the truth is long distance running has many variables. Maybe he had a minor twinge or didn't sleep well? There's plenty of other things that could have happened to him.

Kipchoge isn't just an elite runner. He's an elite troll too.[/quote]

I was reading all the posts, waiting for this one. Kipchoge is an elite troll, or a zen master. He dropped the ancient 60% koan on us:

"A kōan is a story, dialogue, question, or statement, which is used in Zen practice to provoke the "great doubt" and test a student's progress in Zen practice."

Our progress is nil, fellow students.

No American has the prerogative to criticize Kipchoge on anything when it comes to marathon. The U.S. is a second rate marathon nation and we would be lucky this year if one of our "elite" men could run a half marathon as fast as the Africans run the first half of their marathons. To all US running fans who are criticizing: shut-up, watch and learn.

olyrun wrote:

No American has the prerogative to criticize Kipchoge on anything when it comes to marathon. The U.S. is a second rate marathon nation and we would be lucky this year if one of our "elite" men could run a half marathon as fast as the Africans run the first half of their marathons. To all US running fans who are criticizing: shut-up, watch and learn.

Uhhhhh... ever heard of Galen Rupp??

Thank God you don't teach anymore.

reader of nuance wrote:

the real deal wrote:

It is hilarious that so many people on here make such bold statements, yet don't know that Lelisa Desisa and Feyisa Lilesa are two different people.

There was a typo in the article about the test run. It was actually Feyisa Desisa that ran 1:02, so all y'all are wrong!

Feyisa Desisa doesn't exist. You just combined both of their names. Nice job Einstein. But hey, feel free to continue telling everyone else that they're wrong like Donald Trump.

Chubs wrote:

People who struggle with this are seriously retarded. It is not formulaic or mathematical but rather a way of expressing that it didn't feel that hard. If analyzed anyway it's a measure of pain so probably halfway between pain of a threshold effort and all out.

Thank you!

Former HS math teacher wrote:

Kenyans are known for their bravado but can someone please tell me why if Kipchoge was running at 60% effort today that Desisa ran over 62 minutes? I'm assuming Desisa was going at 100%.

As a former HS math teacher, it just doesn't compute. I mean Kipchoge and Desisa are fairly similar in terms of ability (I know kipchoge is better but in the grand scheme of things they are like within 1-2% of each other). It just doesn't add up.

What the **** does you being a math teacher has do to with it? This has nothing to do with math. Also how well Desisa ran doesn't really matter, sometimes you have bad runs, it happens...

However. Calling it 60% effort is a bit cocky. 1500m runners frequently call heats 90% or 80% effort. 60% sounds really easy, sounds like training pace. Still. As Chubs said, it's not really meant to be analyzed...

You guys are nuts. Kenyans can say anything and it dont mean much. But most of us try to get calculations of different kinds and end up more confused. When Kipchoge or any other Kenyan says 60% or 80% what they mean is that it was not an all out effort or simply they could have run faster. Next time just remember this and you will not be left scratching your head.

Kipchoge clearly meant 60% of maximum heart rate. He stayed in the fat burning zone the whole time. He adheres to Tinman's training techniques.

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Posts like these are total troll bait. It's hard to tell if people are a) gullible or b) eager to participate. Therein lies the rub.

Shoebacca wrote:

Kipchoge clearly meant 60% of maximum heart rate. He stayed in the fat burning zone the whole time. He adheres to Tinman's training techniques.

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Posts like these are total troll bait. It's hard to tell if people are a) gullible or b) eager to participate. Therein lies the rub.

It's hard for me to tell if you really think it's hard to tell that the quote above was made in 100% (not 60%) jest.

Doesn't anyone around her understand how a pace run works? I'm a 2:50 guy, but even if I'm training to run a PR 2:45, a 1:22:30 half is nowhere near a 100% effort. He had a good workout, hit his planned pace. 60% doesn't sound like an unreasonable finger-in-the-wind score for that kind of thing. It could be totally true even he's "only" in 2:01 or 2:02 shape.

Former HS math teacher wrote:

As a former HS math teacher, I just can't compute.

FTFY

Kipchoge isn't just an elite runner. He's an elite troll too.

+1

he doesn't give a fvck about what he say, after Rio he even said he felt Rupp might soon break the world record in the marathon