Sarah baxter

This happens all the time in college. Not just to women, either. Probably at least as often with men. Not to call the kid out, but here's an example I remember well: the NXN winner from a few years ago, Kai Wilmot, went to Wisconsin. He had a history of injury problems and had even more problems in college. I don't think he scored a single point for Wisco before stopping running altogether. This guy ran sub-9 as a high school sophomore and won NXN as a senior when coming back from injury. A real shame, but again, these things happen often-and they can happen to people of every talent level.

Ytru wrote:

This happens all the time in college. Not just to women, either. Probably at least as often with men. Not to call the kid out, but here's an example I remember well: the NXN winner from a few years ago, Kai Wilmot, went to Wisconsin. He had a history of injury problems and had even more problems in college. I don't think he scored a single point for Wisco before stopping running altogether. This guy ran sub-9 as a high school sophomore and won NXN as a senior when coming back from injury. A real shame, but again, these things happen often-and they can happen to people of every talent level.

True. But I believe anyone can come back from injuries. Sometimes it takes a lot of patience and dedication, but it can always be done. Exception would be if the injuries were not caused by running.

According to Emma Abrahamson, Baxter has retired due to medical reasons.

Here's a question. Has adding a national team meet changed the way coaches coach? Are coaches pushing the limits more to try and get there team to nationals? You would think we FM's success their athletes should be all over the podiums at NCAA XC's. I know the transition to college is difficult, but with some of these traditionally strong programs are their kids consistenly performing at high levels in college.

curiousityisakiller wrote:

Here's a question. Has adding a national team meet changed the way coaches coach? Are coaches pushing the limits more to try and get there team to nationals? You would think we FM's success their athletes should be all over the podiums at NCAA XC's. I know the transition to college is difficult, but with some of these traditionally strong programs are their kids consistently performing at high levels in college.

No, I don't believe they are doing much in college. Who from FM or Great Oak Is/Has run well in college? With ALL of these kids who have run SO fast in HS, I wonder why they don't have at least a few who are tearing it up at the next level. It's the elephant in the room.

yes. NXN has changed some coaches. I think it's like a drug for some coaches, getting to that meet. In NY you can see coaches are willing to use 7/8/9th graders to get to their. If they need one more fast kid, they will go use that middle schooler. It is at the cost of long term development. very few 7/8/9 kids should be focusing on training for xc from June to December. The race season is September to December. Longer than the college season, it's not healthy for kids.

Bring with that the training kids at these successful schools do and you are using them up before they have a chance. Look at the body fat level of the NY girls, the training their doing is pushing back their development, so yes they have problems in college but it's because their HS coaches didn't let their bodies do naturally what they should. These growing kids eat strick diets, run more mileage that most college coaches would give freshman, they weight lift crazy amounts, do plyo's, cross train, do 18-20 mile runs. All so they can get to/win nationals. They teenage girl body isn't made for that... read the interesting article by ashlely brosavan - she said she did the damage to her body in hs that resulted in her injuries in college. This is happening to a lot of young women!

The funny part is the hs coach gets to blame the college coach or gets to say the kid lost interest. They take no responibility once the athlete is gone. When really a lot of college injuries can be traced back to poor hs diet and over training in hs.

BBQ wrote:

curiousityisakiller wrote:

Here's a question. Has adding a national team meet changed the way coaches coach? Are coaches pushing the limits more to try and get there team to nationals? You would think we FM's success their athletes should be all over the podiums at NCAA XC's. I know the transition to college is difficult, but with some of these traditionally strong programs are their kids consistently performing at high levels in college.

No, I don't believe they are doing much in college. Who from FM or Great Oak Is/Has run well in college? With ALL of these kids who have run SO fast in HS, I wonder why they don't have at least a few who are tearing it up at the next level. It's the elephant in the room.

It's not really that shocking, these great HS teams are just getting a lot of kids to be solid, but they don't have insane studs. A team of low 18s girls in HS will dominate, but very few of those girls will find a place when college teams are filled with mid 16s and low 17s girls, there isn't much place for the low 18 girl who trained very hard in HS.

Oh Ok, I thought running between 17:00-18:00 for girls 5k was pretty fast.. and running 4:45-4:55 was better than average. I also thought that running 8:50-9:05 were times that were considered fast, even for DI kids. These are times that Great Oak athletes have produced each of the past 10ish years. FM seems to have similar level girls, no?

curiousityisakiller wrote:

Here's a question. Has adding a national team meet changed the way coaches coach? Are coaches pushing the limits more to try and get there team to nationals? You would think we FM's success their athletes should be all over the podiums at NCAA XC's. I know the transition to college is difficult, but with some of these traditionally strong programs are their kids consistenly performing at high levels in college.

Dude, you hit the nail on the head!

NXN is a great concept, but coaches are going to great lengths to get there (and the kids are paying the price).

There are not many kids from the perennial qualifiers who go on the much if any success at the next level. But, the coaches don't care, they get to be the guy, the guy who is always there, the man etc.. You know who they are, the guys who always find the camera, always do the interview whether they win or lose, they want to be the story.

When you have HS runners who run college mileage in a quest to be the best sometimes there is just not really anywhere to go as far as progression once you get to college. This is happening a lot, at least on the boys side. Some of the guys placing in the top spots of NXN running 80/95 miles a week. What will happen next year in college? Unfortunately, these are the same guys that college coaches recruit hard to be able to say they have the best recruiting class bragging rights. Meanwhile there are others who are very good, doing much lower mileage, may not finish in the very top or have the same name recognition but those will be the ones who will continue to progress and see success at the college level. Good coaches realize this I think but there is a lot of pressure to gather the most recognizable names for the recruiting classes.

Just read an article about Ashley Brasovan that said she ran 60-70 miles per week in h.s.!! Are you kidding me? No wonder she dominated. Any talented girl that runs that much will destroy the other high school girls...and then predictably she had multiple fractures throughout college. What are these coaches and parents thinking allowing a developing girl to run so much? Ego? Anyone know Baxter's mileage in h.s.?

Abcdef wrote:

Just read an article about Ashley Brasovan that said she ran 60-70 miles per week in h.s.!! Are you kidding me? No wonder she dominated. Any talented girl that runs that much will destroy the other high school girls...and then predictably she had multiple fractures throughout college. What are these coaches and parents thinking allowing a developing girl to run so much? Ego? Anyone know Baxter's mileage in h.s.?

On the other hand, Sara Hall (Bei) ran 70 miles a week in high school, won with consistency all 4 years, and later had a long and successful college and pro career.

Update on her? Anything?

Tell me wrote: Katie Flood is another who comes to mind who's just disappeared all of a sudden.

so who was it that disappeared, Katie Flood or Oliver Sudden?

cheers.

WTFBBQ wrote:

Update on her? Anything?

last thing I can see is that she ran 2017 London marathon and ran a 2:57

Oracle wrote:

Are all of the posters on this thread auditioning for the Drumph White House? Everyone has their own set of alternative facts

Yes, kinda like Biden's White House and set of his own alternative facts. Welcome to sissy lying bring in minorities for votes America!

I looked on several platforms and it seems as if she has disappeared from the face of the earth. She would have graduated in 2018. She was a heckuva HS runner.

steeplepeople wrote:

I looked on several platforms and it seems as if she has disappeared from the face of the earth. She would have graduated in 2018. She was a heckuva HS runner.

So was I and I couldn't find anything either.

What a shame Sarah she did absolutely nothing in college, but same thing happened to Amber Trotter and Claudia Lane. Sarah is in the top 4 California girls HS runners ever, and one second off from breaking into 15 minutes at Mt. Sac! But same thing happened to Claudia Lane. She stopped running after Junior year in HS. She had terrible form and was really short, was not into running anymore at all, gave up, and chose an Ivy League education (Dartmouth) over running. I was shocked as she could have had a scholarship to Stanford or anywhere.