Leo Manzano Struggles Again - 4:21.92. The End of an Era?

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  • And what are you doing to help
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 5:56am CST
    re: Power of praying
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    Power of praying wrote:

    Fogrunr wrote:

    whatishappening wrote:

    What the heck is happening. Discus.

    I hope he is not seriously sick. I'll be praying for him.


    "I'll be praying for him" = " I want to appear caring, without actually doing anything that will help"


    = wants to appear uncaring. and succeeds.
  • Fogrunr
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 7:26am CST
    re: Power of praying
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    Power of praying wrote:

    Fogrunr wrote:

    whatishappening wrote:

    What the heck is happening. Discus.

    I hope he is not seriously sick. I'll be praying for him.


    "I'll be praying for him" = " I want to appear caring, without actually doing anything that will help"


    I was one of the people who sponsored him when Nike he dropped him. Where were you? Time for you to step up.
  • John Clendon
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    3 years ago 03/06/2017 8:43am CST
    re: Gotta bee
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    Gotta bee wrote:

    Time to hang em up, probably a good handful of highschoolers would have done better

    A handful? How about a couple dozen?
  • messi
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 8:59am CST
    re: Come on
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    Come on wrote:

    Mods please edit thread title. Thought Manzano had died for a second. Not cool.

    You thought he died on April 21, 1992?
  • Thinkster
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 8:59am CST
    re: perplexing
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    "Him and another 4:02 were accepted"? Had he been the only one accepted would you really have written, "Him was accepted with a 4:02" ?

    perplexing wrote:

    why was he let into the meet? Him and another 4:02 were accepted. Seems unfair and there doesnt seem to be an actual reason.
  • the inside news
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 9:01am CST
    re: whatishappening
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    whatishappening wrote:

    What the heck is happening. Discus.

    His shoe lace was not tight enough and he feared twisting his ankle around the turns so instead of stopping to retie his lace, he simply slowed itndown a coue notches
  • bigcat69
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 9:14am CST
    re: whatishappening
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    Who are his current training partners? Duncan retired so he's left with no one. So many guys over the years have been in and out of the group. No consistency.

    What credentials does his coach have other than that he was on staff with John Cook when Leo won the medal? His coach has coached no one good for more than 3-6 months before they end up leaving.

    Leo has had so many coaches... Vig, Hayes, Cook, Ponsonby, George Perry, self coached for a while.

    Lack of consistency post London has killed him. Embarrassing result yesterday. If he wants any real chance at success until 2020 he should move to NYNJ, Oregon TC, NOP, something. Anything to be able to run with people on a daily basis.
  • Big Red
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    3 years ago 03/06/2017 9:15am CST
    re: vvvvvvvvvvvvv
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    The Ryun comment, yeah in '72 he ran like 4:30 in March.

    That summer he won the trials in 3:41 with a 51 final lap, ran a 3:52 mile (when his record was 3:51), then fell in his Olympic heat.

    Leo, who knows? I still think he could make the team for London.
  • broooooooo
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 9:23am CST
    re: Big Red
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    somehow he'll win USA outdoors. He'll head down to Mexico and hop on the needle like he always does.

    yawn
  • MeHereYouWhere?!
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 9:26am CST
    re: broooooooo
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    I blame it on him wearing Hoka One One.
  • the magic rat
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    3 years ago 03/06/2017 9:27am CST
    re: bigcat69
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    when he realizes he isn't going to be in contention for the win or top 3 or whatever his goal is he gives up. i personally have no problem with that, but it has pretty clearly been the case over the last decade or so. like any runner, he has good days and bad days. and when he has a bad day he just decides it isn't worth it to run hard and lose anyway.

    he may or may not return to the same level of success he had before, but this type of result isn't really anything new.
  • Dizzy
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 9:55am CST
    re: whatishappening
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    Can someone please re-title this post? I seriously thought Leo had died and was momentarily sad.
  • ispy
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 9:57am CST
    re: the magic rat
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    He has been far worse over the last year than ever. He has had inconsistency but this is beyond that. I also agree that he still may find a way to make the US team to London especially since Andrews has not looked good. Blankenship looked great 2 years ago but last year he made the team only because Manzano was not that good.
  • rojo
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    3 years ago 03/06/2017 10:02am CST
    re: the magic rat
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    the magic rat wrote:

    when he realizes he isn't going to be in contention for the win or top 3 or whatever his goal is he gives up. i personally have no problem with that, but it has pretty clearly been the case over the last decade or so. like any runner, he has good days and bad days. and when he has a bad day he just decides it isn't worth it to run hard and lose anyway.

    he may or may not return to the same level of success he had before, but this type of result isn't really anything new.

    ^^^^.

    Leo is very competitive. If he's in it for the win, he's dangerous. If he's not, he's awful. I remember when Vig was still coaching him way back and he said something about "If he's got a shot to win it.....He's real dangerous" Manzano had never won a medal or anyuthing.

    I was like, "Wait, are we talking about the same thing. Win the world championship?" This was before americans were medalling in anything. Vig said, "Yes. You don't understand how good he is if he feels he's in the hunt."

    I about fell out of my chair but Leo had the last laugh with that silver medal.

    Along those lines, after the race last night a buddy of mine texted me last night and said, "I know Manzano ran 4:21 but he had a better shot of winning that race at the start than did Kyle Merber."

    I laughed but almost agree with him and certainly get what he's saying (and I love Merber (fellow Ivy Leaguer)).
  • whatishappening
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 10:03am CST
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    What the heck is happening. Discus.
  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 10:04am CST
    re: Come on
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    Come on wrote:

    Mods please edit thread title. Thought Manzano had died for a second. Not cool.

    You got it. The thread was initially entitled. "Leo Manzano RIP. 4:21.92"
  • zohan
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 10:12am CST
    re: LetsRun.com
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    need to change it on the front page too. I seriously thought he had died. That is not cool at all.
  • MeHereYouWhere?!
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 10:18am CST
    re: zohan
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    I laughed out loud in a meeting when I read the thread title. Probably because only a true moran would think he died April 21st of 1992. Hard to imagine he was dead when winning a silver in 2012.

    That being said he has a pretty sweet website and online store!
    https://leomanzano.com/
    Glad to see he was helping out his 7 year old niece and let her draw up a logo for him to use.
  • Amerikano
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 10:37am CST
    re: MeHereYouWhere?!
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    C'mon, you guys are being a little dramatic. He had a really bad day, but let's not go Ronda Rousey on him already.

    First off, he was running pretty bad all year last year and still barely got nudged out of top 3 in the OTs. If there's one thing about Leo, on his bad days, he can really fall apart... But when it counts the most, that dude can step his game up. Let's give him outdoors before you write him off.

    Here's to a good bounce back in outdoors, Leo!
  • Thanks Andy Dufresne
    3 years ago 03/06/2017 10:45am CST
    re: MeHereYouWhere?!
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    MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

    I laughed out loud in a meeting when I read the thread title. Probably because only a true moran would think he died April 21st of 1992. Hard to imagine he was dead when winning a silver in 2012.

    That being said he has a pretty sweet website and online store!
    https://leomanzano.com/
    Glad to see he was helping out his 7 year old niece and let her draw up a logo for him to use.

    That picture made me not want to buy the shirt.