L'Equipe Publishes list of drugs/vitamins Rowbury & Rupp were on before Rio - French doctor responds, "It's quite astounding as

Shiplap wrote:

Didn't Maggie Vessey get in trouble for using "acne medication?"

Haha I doubt it was a topical antibiotic. Maybe Vessey she was using a steroid based treatment to help her acne.

It is awesome that the defenders feel the need to deny. There is something there or they wouldn't go crazy and deny deny deny.

If someone started a thread that said Alberto was behind the Boston bombings it would die immediately because it is so ridiculous.

Not true with drug accusations and NOP. Ever wonder why?

Er wot mate wrote:

d1girl wrote:

Acne is often caused by hormonal changes which "grown women" experience monthly due to this thing known as the menstrual cycle. Natural hormonal fluctuations throughout a monthly cycle can reek havoc on your skin.

No it's because she takes steroids obviously.

Both responses can be true. Given this is NOP/Salazar, I'm inclined to view it as a steroid mask. Which, is *really* old school doping and not terribly effective compared to oxygen vector doping. It would help recovery.

Given this is Salazar's group, I am certain Salazar examined the prescription/compound to see if there is a way to use it to enhance performance. This is a guy that admits to using exogenous Testosterone on his teenage son as an experiment.

At the individual level, it may be a legitimate acne issue.

Les wrote:

What RX are you talking about wrote:

Sorry, I didn't realize you needed help connecting dots. Your post referrs to prescription drugs to possibly enhance performance.

Aczone does not fall in that category

Ok, I will connect the dots for you. One symptom of steroid use (steroids are prescription PEDs btw, banned drugs) is ACNE. That is why Schippers is suspected of doping -- her ever-present skin condition.

Perhaps she just has bad skin.

Ok, so it would appear that Rupp is NOT taking T3 and T4 daily. I was under the impression that all thyroid meds are daily. WTF?

Doc Holiday wrote:

Ok, so it would appear that Rupp is NOT taking T3 and T4 daily. I was under the impression that all thyroid meds are daily. WTF?

"1" likely means one tab/day which is the usual dose of Synthroid, to be taken on an empty stomach. The higher the TSH, the higher the dose needed to bring it back to WNL. I'd be interested in the dosage he takes...............not to imply that there is any benefit from a PED perspective (there isn't) just for my own edification.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

Les wrote:

Ok, I will connect the dots for you. One symptom of steroid use (steroids are prescription PEDs btw, banned drugs) is ACNE. That is why Schippers is suspected of doping -- her ever-present skin condition.

Perhaps she just has bad skin.

Impossible, elites are not people but lab rats to be poked at by letsrun. They do not get human afflictions such as acne without taking testosterone.

The list from LRC has the medications listed by day (or ostensibly the first day that they appear) so the list does not repeat. It appears that T3/T4 do not show up until the last day which would indicate they were not on prior days.

Others have speculated that NOP was using hormones in ways that are not prescribed. This seems like it could be an example of that.

Doc Holiday wrote:

The list from LRC has the medications listed by day (or ostensibly the first day that they appear) so the list does not repeat. It appears that T3/T4 do not show up until the last day which would indicate they were not on prior days.

Others have speculated that NOP was using hormones in ways that are not prescribed. This seems like it could be an example of that.

I doubt it............one/day (irrespective of dose) is required for any therapeutic effect. Skipping days equals no effect at all, as a certain blood level needs to be reached for any effect. So if the Rupmeister was in fact in a hypothyroid state as a function of his heavy training, skipping days for any reason would be of no benefit.

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say no to drugs. wrote:

Is it normal for elites to be taking all this non-food/OTC s***?! I'm drug tested and declare only 5 things (multivitamin, Vit D, mineral complex, super B complex, iron pills).

Oh, is this post on the LosersRant.com "world famous message board" about what is or isn't normal (i.e., common)? I got the impression that people were accusing NOP of violating specific rules that would result in their banishment from the sport. I would assume that to make that accusation you need something more than a list of legal vitamins/supplements.

I understand concerns about the Androgel test but the other items don't feel like a very big deal. I appreciate the Reavis quote today about unfair advantage, but is that not also true of all the runners who go see Healing Hans, etc.? For example, let's assume Paula Radcliffe was clean (did not have transfusions or use anything). Didn't she use a lot of specialists? How about Bolt?

By all means, look into whether people are using EPO or testosterone or banned items but if people are following the rules and taking vitamins, why get so worked up about it? Sure it gives them an edge but that's life.

grox wrote:

Of course nothing illegal was revealed: it is just what they declared. And even that is shocking because it reveals a mentality. There is nothing normal about taking medicines when you're healthy. Doctors and labs may tell you otherwise, but keep in mind they are selling the products.

A lot of things on the list have nothing to do with being healthy or sick. Vitamins aren't medicine. Tea isn't a medicine. Even a lot of the things that are medicine, like allergy pills, or a sleeping pill, don't have anything to do with being sick or healthy. That was part of my problem with the QOD yesterday with the ridiculous statement "taking drugs when you are not sick is clearly entering into the foundations of doping." It's a quote that really has nothing to do with the list, almost all of which doesn't even relate to the quote.

Prescription painkillers, sleeping pills, thyroid meds, and asthma meds. You guys are ignorant if you don't think that can make a couple percent difference in times.

Like Team Sky, you have to wonder what we aren't hearing about yet.

Wake up guys wrote:

Prescription painkillers, sleeping pills, thyroid meds, and asthma meds. You guys are ignorant if you don't think that can make a couple percent difference in times.

Like Team Sky, you have to wonder what we aren't hearing about yet.

Good summation.

Lol you're getting sucked in to a paywall to find out shit.

Surprised she was taking MD Lipoflush, it's a fat burner. It contains octapamine and synephrine both of which are specified stimulants (I.e are banned in competition). Kind of dangerous to be taking a supplement like this as all that it would take to test positive is to take it the day before a race.

Wow all those supplements one would think they're vegans(not ). bekele doesn't even take a vitamin tablet.

say no to drugs. wrote:

Is it normal for elites to be taking all this non-food/OTC s***?! I'm drug tested and declare only 5 things (multivitamin, Vit D, mineral complex, super B complex, iron pills).

It does seem like a lot, but even your average recreational fitness types take about half the stuff on that list. If you take a multi vitamin, you are taking around 7 or 8 vitamins. AlSal has always made it known that NOP is big into supplements, which are quite popular among elite athletes in all sports.

Btw, there is no proof that half of that stuff makes any difference, from memory, only Mag, Pot, Iron, C, D, Omega and Calcium are about the only proven mins/vits.