Sleuth purchases race pictures and discovers that Ft Lauderdale 2nd place cheated to enter elite team

Ay-C wrote:

Simple. Name calling is bullying. Nuff said. But feel free to hurt her more and more with each passing day.

That's your choice.

Enjoy and hope for injury free miles. 👍🏻

That is NOT the definition of bullying. From wiki:

Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power, which distinguishes bullying from conflict.

Ripping this fraudster to shreds online is completely justified and NOT bullying.

I always wonder what it is like to live day-to-day in a world where I have completely no idea what I am talking about and pretend that I do.

Let me get this straight, you believe it should be more difficult for her to get employment for the rest of her life because of her actions at this race?

Clarksy wrote:

Let me get this straight, you believe it should be more difficult for her to get employment for the rest of her life because of her actions at this race?

Of course. Actions have consequences.

Would you want to hire someone without any integrity?

80s kid wrote:

This thread is hilarious. No one was defending Mike Rossi from the name calling and "bullying". You guys see a skinny Asian girl that you want to get in bed with and immediately defend her LoL!

Sexism is truly alive and well.

cheater lover wrote:

Ay-C wrote:

This young lady made a mistake. She is dearly paying for it. She has apologized for it.

Her team has cut her. I would not even call them a team. A team rallies around and supports a an athlete in good times as well as bad times.

But the bullying by too many is worse than her mistake.

So disappointing.

1.) Mistake is usually sued to mean accidental - this was no accident. She did it on purpose, lied about it on purpose, went out of her way to try to cover it up several ways, on purpose.

2.) She deleted her apology, for what it was.

3.) You really believe that a team should support a cheating athlete? That's just insane.

4.) What bullying?

5.) Yes, her behaviour was very disappointing, I think everyone in the world should expect people to behave better than she has done.

6) Exactly.

The best part about this story is that an Irish guy exposed the Ivy League BIG FAKE-BIG CHEAT-BIG LIAR... from Harvard…or Princeton…or Yale.

7) This is fun. We are on page 8 of another LetsRun.com BIG FAKE EXPOSE.

8) CLICK ME NOW.

9) WE ARE IVY LEAGUE.

People are only calling this "bullying" because she is not white nor male.

The real question is whether this was a momentary lapse of judgment or a demonstration of underlying character.

My take is that it is a demonstration of an underlying lack of character. The decision to cut the course appears pre-planned (suggesting that this was not just a bad decision made in the heat of the moments). She affirmatively took action immediately after the race to assert that she was indeed second (making that a second lapse of judgment even if you were willing to look at the course cutting as a momentary lapse of judgment). She then subsequently rode the course and tried to pass the data from that ride off as evidence that she didn't do the first two things.

Look, I understand that sometimes people make bad decisions in the heat of the moment and then get caught in a situation where the bad decisions compound themselves as people are embarrassed or scared or just want to save face. So I might be able to forgive the post-race assertions that she was indeed second. I might could probably get there with regard to her lame explanation of why she cut the course. If I really, really stretched, I might even be able to get to get there on the bike ride (but probably not). But in each of those cases, I would have to believe that she really did just make a bad decision at a moment in time.

I do not believe that.

And this is fair information for a future employer to have when having to decide about employing her. They can reach their own conclusions regarding her motives.

Finally, I am in no way denying that I have made poor choices too. For the most part, those poor choices came to light in connection with my professional certification. Some of them did not. I am thankful. But we live in a different day and age now, and it is a cyber age, and in this cyber age, Ms. Seo makes her living via a lifestyle blog based on a cultivated image. The veracity of that image, and the lengths to which she will go to create a false image, are of direct relevance the way I see things.

It does suck, but that doesn't make it wrong or unfair.

fnx wrote:

Clarksy wrote:

Let me get this straight, you believe it should be more difficult for her to get employment for the rest of her life because of her actions at this race?

Of course. Actions have consequences.

Would you want to hire someone without any integrity?

I don't believe her cheating and lying in this race should cause her to have a problem finding a job for the rest of her life, no.

I find what she did to be insulting, and I find your belief above to be psychotic.

It is strange how the bully/bullying words get called up when there's a female involved.

Lurker wrote:

My take is that it is a demonstration of an underlying lack of character. The decision to cut the course appears pre-planned (suggesting that this was not just a bad decision made in the heat of the moments). She affirmatively took action immediately after the race to assert that she was indeed second (making that a second lapse of judgment even if you were willing to look at the course cutting as a momentary lapse of judgment). She then subsequently rode the course and tried to pass the data from that ride off as evidence that she didn't do the first two things.

Excellent post! I had wondered the same thing. Was this a spur of the moment decision during the race, or a pre-planned decision to attempt her goal time? It seems to me that this is most certainly a pre-planned decision which had been outlined in detail.

Clarksy wrote:

fnx wrote:

Of course. Actions have consequences.

Would you want to hire someone without any integrity?

I don't believe her cheating and lying in this race should cause her to have a problem finding a job for the rest of her life, no.

I find what she did to be insulting, and I find your belief above to be psychotic.

Let's see: She's got a Harvard degree. She hasn't committed a felony. She's only 24. I might say that her nutrition/fitness blogging business is probably dead, but can we even say that? You know we live in an era that probably the most important thing is to just spell the name right. Could be free publicity...

In short, I expect she will recover.

Call me naïve, but people who actively promote themselves in the media must know that if they carry out a misdemeanor they're going to get called out and it's possibly going to go viral, especially these days in the modern age of communication.

Interested that some assume that 1) this is the first time she has done something like this and 2) her apology is sufficient to indicate she will never do something like this again and should be left alone.This type of behavior is not a one time thing and would expect there are other instances of similar actions in the past. Apology is a good first step, but recovery will take much more.

Clarksy wrote:

fnx wrote:

Of course. Actions have consequences.

Would you want to hire someone without any integrity?

I don't believe her cheating and lying in this race should cause her to have a problem finding a job for the rest of her life, no.

I find what she did to be insulting, and I find your belief above to be psychotic.

Interesting that some assume that 1) this is the first time she has done something like this and 2) her apology is sufficient to indicate she will never do something like this again and should be left alone.This type of behavior is not a one time thing and would expect there are other instances of similar actions in the past. Apology is a good first step, but recovery will take much more.

Clarksy wrote:

fnx wrote:

Of course. Actions have consequences.

Would you want to hire someone without any integrity?

I don't believe her cheating and lying in this race should cause her to have a problem finding a job for the rest of her life, no.

I find what she did to be insulting, and I find your belief above to be psychotic.

Mike Stickman wrote:

2) her apology is sufficient to indicate she will never do something like this again and should be left alone.

That's because her apology wasn't "sufficient to indicate she will never do something like this again and should be left alone" because that was phony too and when she got called out for it she deleted it.

Be real, if possible? wrote:

Clarksy wrote:

I don't believe her cheating and lying in this race should cause her to have a problem finding a job for the rest of her life, no.

I find what she did to be insulting, and I find your belief above to be psychotic.

Let's see: She's got a Harvard degree. She hasn't committed a felony. She's only 24. I might say that her nutrition/fitness blogging business is probably dead, but can we even say that? You know we live in an era that probably the most important thing is to just spell the name right. Could be free publicity...

In short, I expect she will recover.

You are wrong again.

(Have you increased your Risperdal (risperidone) dose by 333% yet???)

The Ivy League white male humans have the BIGLY brains!!!

For example:

Robert Johnson (Princeton)-Weldon Johnson (Yale)

(= Superior Ivy League white male Identical Twins derived from one white egg)

Mike Stickman wrote:

Interesting that some assume that 1) this is the first time she has done something like this and 2) her apology is sufficient to indicate she will never do something like this again and should be left alone.

This type of behavior is not a one time thing and would expect there are other instances of similar actions in the past. Apology is a good first step, but recovery will take much more.

Clarksy wrote:

I don't believe her cheating and lying in this race should cause her to have a problem finding a job for the rest of her life, no.

I find what she did to be insulting, and I find your belief above to be psychotic.

I've not made any of those assumptions included in your post - I've only responded/questioned things stated by posters in this thread.

For example, when you say "recovery will take much more", what are you trying to convey?

Jane Seo's now deleted apology which she got called out for:

"I wasn't feeling well so I CUT THE COURSE and headed to the finish line"

Marathon Investigation:

"She says that she was not feeling well, that she was nauseous. The facts don't support this.

•She ran faster in the latter part of her run than she did in the beginning.

•She had the energy to bike 13.1 miles that afternoon.

•She looks to be in good form in the photo at the top of the article, taken with 1-1/2 miles to go.

•She does not look distressed in any way in her finish line or medal photos."

http://www.marathoninvestigation.com/

Clarksy wrote:

I don't believe her cheating and lying in this race should cause her to have a problem finding a job for the rest of her life, no.

Fair enough, you don't believe it, but it will, especially in the age of Google and social media and especially when you have an easily identifiable name. My advice to Jane is to get a name change, through marriage or something, but even then this will forever be hanging over her.

When will these people learn.