Sleuth purchases race pictures and discovers that Ft Lauderdale 2nd place cheated to enter elite team

I've unintentionally cut a course before. I was in no man's land in 2nd place and the police officer who was supposed to direct me at a turn was getting something out of his car and did not see me. I went one way (the wrong way), he yelled to try to redirect me and I went another wrong way. Ended up cutting about 200m off of a 5k. I came to the end of the race in 2nd place, as I would have had the mistake not been made. I immediately went to the RD to tell him what happened and to let him decide what to do. I have also never claimed that result on Athlinks. They ended up awarding me 2nd place any way. I would have felt bad about that since there were decent prizes, but all of the runners up front knew each other from past races and we all knew where we would have finished relative to one another.

Yet someone can intentionally cheat (in what appears to be a pre-planned manner) and then double down and intentionally lie after the fact, and then triple down and fake data to support those prior bad acts. Unbelievable.

Star wrote:

Great all around thread.

First, she's cute.

Amazing forensic job to detect the cheating.

Interesting cover up technique to bike ride the course later to get false data.

Good comeback to enlarge what was on the watch.

But I also am amused that someone would even take this much time and effort to investigate this cheating of a relatively low key race.

It also perplexes me that people even think to cheat in a race. I usually looked at a race for me to determine my fitness for myself.

It takes a nice blend of two sociopaths to produce this story.

Good take.

I do hope however that if you're reading this, Jane, you don't do anything rash. Life goes on, people will forget about this the next time Trump does something whacky (any minute now...), and plenty of people have recovered from worse and/or more embarrassing and/or more widely publicized things. Joe Biden cheated on his law school exams and was kicked out and he's doing fine. Ellen Pao ha a new job and seems to be doing fine. Good luck.

Jeez wrote:

Many runners now know what it is to 'Rossi' a race. I think Jane has earned a special level of deceit by going to the trouble of biking the route to create false GPS stats. I propose she 'Seo'd' the course but there is something better. The proper definition would account for doing it ineptly as in forgetting about cadence or some other factor.

I think the reason Jane biked the course afterwards was not to confirm her result but rather that she had got too far into the lie to extract herself from it quietly.

Also, to those of you referring to Jane as a buttaface.....apparently you are not as sexually desperate as I am. I find her quite pretty.

ScottEvil wrote:

I do hope however that if you're reading this, Jane, you don't do anything rash. Life goes on, people will forget about this the next time Trump does something whacky (any minute now...), and plenty of people have recovered from worse and/or more embarrassing and/or more widely publicized things. Joe Biden cheated on his law school exams and was kicked out and he's doing fine. Ellen Pao ha a new job and seems to be doing fine. Good luck.

I'm not so sure about that.

Just ask Mike Rossi, Robert Young or Kip Litton.

They are all done.

Anyone NOT fascinated by this story has no interest in competitive if 'hobby jogger' running or psychology.

On x # of levels, this woman may be a swell person but here, she reflects a LOT of the sport's-- and some of our own-- pathologies. Wow!

Be just as nuts if a guy did it but dig the miles and hours she's claiming to have worked out as NYC Marathon prep. 100-110 a week PLUS spinning, PLUS recovering from plantar?

Not impossible but that's some obsession.

Canada Girl wrote:

In some ways I can understand a much lesser athlete cutting a course/cheating if they are too lazy or didn't put in the training to finish. But this is a 3:00 NYC marathoner (so, sub-3 on a faster course) whose time in this particular half marathon would have been very fast by most standards anyway.

I can also understand not feeling well and cutting the course, but anyone with an ounce of integrity wouldn't cross the finish mat and receive a chip-time they didn't actually run......then to be questioned and verbally convince the RD that she ran a legit race.....and the part about biking the course is literally INSANE. She's getting her 15 minutes right now, exactly as she deserves.

this This THIS... And to the extent she might have mental illness, okay down the line we can empathize but for now...

She cheated and lied, she must receive repercussions and her 'future employers' deserve to be made aware of the fact that she attempted to cheat good, honest runners who were faster than her.

fata$$ wrote:

ScottEvil wrote:

I do hope however that if you're reading this, Jane, you don't do anything rash. Life goes on, people will forget about this the next time Trump does something whacky (any minute now...), and plenty of people have recovered from worse and/or more embarrassing and/or more widely publicized things. Joe Biden cheated on his law school exams and was kicked out and he's doing fine. Ellen Pao ha a new job and seems to be doing fine. Good luck.

I'm not so sure about that.

Just ask Mike Rossi, Robert Young or Kip Litton.

They are all done.

Rob Young made running a career - he is rightfully done.

Mike is not 'done' because he cheated - but because of everything else. There are lots of people that cheated to run Boston that we never hear about.

Kip Litton - still has his dental practice - he's done running marathons - rightfully so.

If she owns up to what she did, and sincerely apologizes directly to those that she should apologize to, pays back the sponsor, and admits to ALL of the lies, people will quickly back off. Gia Alvarez is now portrayed rather sympathetically. She issued a non apology initially, but when she came clean on everything, the story died down.

whiskeytangofauxtrout wrote:

http://www.dashingwhippets.org/2016/11/09/janeseomarathondebut/

"RACE PREP

I didn’t sign up for the NYC Marathon until early August when I found out there was a couple extra spots for the team. To be honest, I never really had the desire to run a marathon—I’ve heard countless stories of people being injured during training, it was really expensive and time-consuming, and, given my competitive spirit, the distance felt too long to call a “race.” .

This race report is from November 9 2016. In an article posted in a previous post called "How I Learned to Love Running, One Race at a Time", dated October 27, 2015 she ended it by writing:

"I am not quite ready for a full marathon yet, but it is definitely in my near-future horizon!"

It was pretty clear in October of 2015 she had a desire to run a marathon, because she said it was next up, but then she says in August of 2016 she "never had the desire to run a marathon"... seems contradictory to me, no?

ScottEvil wrote:

I do hope however that if you're reading this, Jane, you don't do anything rash. Life goes on, people will forget about this the next time Trump does something whacky (any minute now...), and plenty of people have recovered from worse and/or more embarrassing and/or more widely publicized things. Joe Biden cheated on his law school exams and was kicked out and he's doing fine. Ellen Pao ha a new job and seems to be doing fine. Good luck.

Thought along these lines as well. Jane, this too shall pass.

Add Marlon Bascombe to the list! His cover up was definitely not as good.

Canada Girl wrote:

In some ways I can understand a much lesser athlete cutting a course/cheating if they are too lazy or didn't put in the training to finish. But this is a 3:00 NYC marathoner (so, sub-3 on a faster course) whose time in this particular half marathon would have been very fast by most standards anyway.

I can also understand not feeling well and cutting the course, but anyone with an ounce of integrity wouldn't cross the finish mat and receive a chip-time they didn't actually run......then to be questioned and verbally convince the RD that she ran a legit race.....and the part about biking the course is literally INSANE. She's getting her 15 minutes right now, exactly as she deserves.

Yes. That biking is really exceptional down to carefully controlled pace. And that was only hours after her (almost) half marathon. I'm impressed how she could so quickly come up with such a sophisticated plan and execute it so well. If I've understood correctly, she's not even a local, which makes it all even more impressive. If only she had used her forces for good.

asdfdgjdfgrg wrote:

[quote]Canada Girl wrote:

If only she had used her forces for good.

You're Batman!

Perfect DashingD. Thank you!

This young lady made a mistake. She is dearly paying for it. She has apologized for it.

Her team has cut her. I would not even call them a team. A team rallies around and supports a an athlete in good times as well as bad times.

But the bullying by too many is worse than her mistake.

So disappointing.

Most don't know her including myself. But to condemn her as well as calling her vile names is sad and at the very least immature.

I doubt they would condem their son/daughter/partner and call them names if they made a mistake in any aspect of their life.

I wonder how long she will hide her face from the public race scene or any scene I suppose...

asdfdgjdfgrg wrote:

Yes. That biking is really exceptional down to carefully controlled pace. And that was only hours after her (almost) half marathon. I'm impressed how she could so quickly come up with such a sophisticated plan and execute it so well. If I've understood correctly, she's not even a local, which makes it all even more impressive. If only she had used her forces for good.

She probably hired the bike weeks in advance... And no, she didn't execute it well at all.

And with being done I obviously meant being done in the running community.

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Ay-C wrote:

This young lady made a mistake. She is dearly paying for it. She has apologized for it.

Her team has cut her. I would not even call them a team. A team rallies around and supports a an athlete in good times as well as bad times.

But the bullying by too many is worse than her mistake.

So disappointing.

1.) Mistake is usually sued to mean accidental - this was no accident. She did it on purpose, lied about it on purpose, went out of her way to try to cover it up several ways, on purpose.

2.) She deleted her apology, for what it was.

3.) You really believe that a team should support a cheating athlete? That's just insane.

4.) What bullying?

5.) Yes, her behaviour was very disappointing, I think everyone in the world should expect people to behave better than she has done.

Simple. Name calling is bullying. Nuff said. But feel free to hurt her more and more with each passing day.

That's your choice.

Enjoy and hope for injury free miles. 👍🏻