He is the fastest American to ever run the 1000m indoors. That's why he has the NR. How you feel about him shouldn't change that.
He is the fastest American to ever run the 1000m indoors. That's why he has the NR. How you feel about him shouldn't change that.
Barabbas wrote:
I don't know about this, but I do know I would be pretty upset if some Kenyan moved here and took my AMERICAN record away (Solinsky's 5000, for example).
In this entire retarded thread, this is by far the most retarded thing said. Kudos
Barabbas wrote:
I don't know about this, but I do know I would be pretty upset if some Kenyan moved here and took my AMERICAN record away (Solinsky's 5000, for example).
Would you stick out your bottom lip, and cry and stomp your feet? maybe roll around on the floor?
Alternate Reality wrote:
Ok, so say that I have dual citizenship.
My father is American, and my mother is German.
If I am running at a Diamond League race, wearing my New Balance kit, and I run a 5000 meter time that would be an American record, and a German record, which would it be.?
I am not running in a meet that designates athletes by county, like the Olympics or WC.
I believe you only need to be a US citizen to be eligible to set an American record recognized by the USATF. The German federation probably works the same way, so you could set both. Thus David Torrence could also potentially set a new American record today.
Would you lose any NR if you switch genders? (Asking for a friend.)
Or could I gain records? I would definitely become a girl right now if it meant I could collect my 800m world record holder title.
Why should Torrence keep this record? Because he did it. Changing nationalities doesn't change what he did.
If you want to get technical, he gets to keep it because he actually has dual citizenship. So he is still an American Citizen, that hasn't changed.
Alternate Reality wrote:
Star wrote:Like you said, Kipketer had competed for Denmark in 1995.
He did not represent Kenya in any form when he ran in 1996, so it makes sense that his times at the time would not be a Kenyan record.
He never had the Kenyan record to give up.
Lagat was clearly a Kenyan representing Kenya in 2001 when he ran 2:26 low.
Lagat was the fastest Kenyan ever. Leaving the country didn't change that.
He is also the fastest American ever.
The real problem with Lagat is that he was technically an American when he ran 3:27 in 2004, but he did not represent the US at the time and didn't apply for the AR, which is part of the deal.
Now, he also didn't and couldn't represent the US in 2005 when he ran the current American Record of 3:29.30.
But he was a US citizen who applied to ratify the record at the time.
He has actually never run faster than 3:32 since first representing the US in 2007.
So Sydney Maree has the fastest 1500m time by an American who had represented the US.
While Centro II is the fastest US born 1500m runner.
Ok, so say that I have dual citizenship.
My father is American, and my mother is German.
If I am running at a Diamond League race, wearing my New Balance kit, and I run a 5000 meter time that would be an American record, and a German record, which would it be.?
I am not running in a meet that designates athletes by county, like the Olympics or WC.
People should not run or race for a country in my opinion. People should run for themselves as individuals and the heck with these with these relays where you have other members of your country on your team
GPS Badger wrote:
From the Milrose fan guide -
Don’t forget about David Torrence, either. Though he’ll have had some travel to deal with (he ran 3:39 in Karlsruhe, Germany, on Saturday), he’s the American record holder in this event (2:16.76) — even though he now represents Peru
Once you decide that you no longer want to represent that country, why should you still have the honor of holding that countries national record?
You are a loser. I will let others who have a better way with words than I explain why.
Big Red wrote:
Why should Torrence keep this record? Because he did it. Changing nationalities doesn't change what he did.
Exactly. He ran that time whilst a citizen of and representative of that country. It doesn't matter what happens to him afterwards.
Should he die, change nationalities, have a sex change op etcetera afterwards, none of that matters.
No no no wrote:
Big Red wrote:Why should Torrence keep this record? Because he did it. Changing nationalities doesn't change what he did.
Exactly. He ran that time whilst a citizen of and representative of that country. It doesn't matter what happens to him afterwards.
Should he die, change nationalities, have a sex change op etcetera afterwards, none of that matters.
I think when people change nationalities they should not only lose their NR, they should also gave to pay back any award money and give back the medal they won. Just like what a doper must do. Lose everything Just like Mo Trafeh
Official Representative wrote:
No no no wrote:Exactly. He ran that time whilst a citizen of and representative of that country. It doesn't matter what happens to him afterwards.
Should he die, change nationalities, have a sex change op etcetera afterwards, none of that matters.
I think when people change nationalities they should not only lose their NR, they should also gave to pay back any award money and give back the medal they won. Just like what a doper must do. Lose everything Just like Mo Trafeh
Yeah. And NFL players should lose their team records and pay back their salaries when they go to a new team!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Red Bull (who sponsors Mondo) calls Mondo the pole vaulting Usain Bolt. Is that a fair comparison?