observer_of_things wrote:
wejo wrote:I think my STRIDE is shrinking as I get older
you misspelled "BRAIN"
I think you misspelt "PENIS".
observer_of_things wrote:
wejo wrote:I think my STRIDE is shrinking as I get older
you misspelled "BRAIN"
I think you misspelt "PENIS".
Speaker wrote:
observer_of_things wrote:you misspelled "BRAIN"
I think you misspelt "PENIS".
POTD!!!
Stride is shrinking as you get older? First world problems.
Whether or not you think I am significant or off my rocker, I would like to add my conjecture as far as what I think the issue may be: Your ShoesUnless you are using the same shoes consistently, it seems that your stretch would almost invariably be determined by your footfall.What do I mean? Let me give an example. For a long time, I was used to racing in the 21 or 22 minute 5K range in major shoe brands that would come in at about 11-12 ounces. It affected my footfall so that I would be more of a back striker. I thought I was near the end of running and would just be a walker. Then I took a chance on a cheap pair of shoes...it weighed 8.3 ounces per shoe. It switched my strike to midfoot and increased my stride length, my ability to stretch my stride as needed for speed and overall, my speed to where I can break 20 for a 5K and get close to 1:40 for a half marathon.Empirically, I would bet this is the case in many ways, or, you are still trying to re-adjust to the shoes you wear (likely different from soccer sprint shoes) and it's making the stride different (for now).But I am just some nobody from nowhere giving helpful advice. I also know you have an ego that is pretty big. Nope. I don't make any money in races so if you want to throw this out the window as you do with 90% of the advice that is not yours, then so be it.But as a nobody at 42, who still feels fresh enough to race with a good stride, this is what I am offering.Take it or leave it, dude.Mike
Precious Roy, I think you're being too pessimistic. While it is true that I run a lot every day, I don't end up spending much time doing other exercises. I am not in the class of Wade, Pilcher, etc. but was still able to run a bunch of pr's at 45 and the past few years have had many of my best lifetime interval workouts at 800 (having college kids to run with occasionally). For the stride shortening, you should do things like lunges and squats, adding weight once they get too easy. Then no doubt plyos and weights are good but I don't have access to weights outside the summers and worry about injury with the plyos. But you can stand at a wall or fence and slowly bring one leg back, clench, and repeat, which will help stop shuffling. Also, take a portion of your runs to consciously lift your knees without raising your overall height off the ground. This improves stride length substantially. There's a video of Tadesse, I think, with a huge stride despite not jumping up like American runners usually do. You should also work the push off. And then obviously, do hills, stadium steps, and sprints every week.
What is wrong with you? Are you posting before your meds kick in?
Was all of that really necessary?
Yes. It was.
I will add to that. Don't kid yourself. the advice was sincere. But I have asked for running advice here only to get a snarky answer from the OP here, as well. So, the advice was real. The attitude was too. 100% legitimately necessary. I don't mince words. He can take it or leave it.
Just turned 65, realized the phenomenon as my 5k time has risen 3 min the past 5 years. Confirmed by watching the strides others of various ages on an indoor track at the Y. Began trying to correct 6 mo ago by lifting the knee more during the fore step and closing the angle at the knee more following pushoff; also doing lots of hamstring curls to increase the strength ratio to the quads. It is working really well, but it is taking time and practice. Repeat mile intervals are now very comfortable at 6:50 pace w/30s rest int. Will test the work with a 5k this spring hoping to achieve 20:xx min. range. Anyone have other suggestions?
What about doing lots of 100's once a week , like 40 of them at current mile pace
Wejo, how much heavier are you than when you were at your peak? 15% heavier? This could be a power:weight issue more than anything.
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A few of the best masters 800 meter runners. It would be interesting to compare videos to determine total strides and stride length.
Current 800 World record Age 75 2:30.59
Earl Fee: "Believes his running has reduced his biological age by 15 years relative to birth age".
Maybe, but the king of anti-aging based on time is actually David Carr -time and %. Unless Shaheed can find a way tor run 2:34 at age 80.
David Carr
Age 50 2:08.8
Age 55 2:09.78
Age 61 2:15.56
Age 65 2:19.5
Age 70 2:25.14 +15.36 seconds 1.024 seconds per year. (55-70)
Age 75 2:34.3
Age 80 2:49.0 40.2 seconds over 30 years = 1.34 seconds per year. (+31.21%)
3:08.80 Projected 2018 Age 85
Earl Fee
Age 60 2:12.85
Age 65 2:14.33
Age 70 2:20.45
Age 80 2:48.95 36.10 seconds 1.805 seconds per year (27.27%)
Derek Turnbull
Age 52 2:04.6
Age 70 2:28.37 + 19.08%
Alan Bradford
Age 50 2:00.4
Age 70 2:28.78 +23.57%
Nolan Shaheed
Age 50 1:58.65
Age 70 2019 2:22 Projected +19.68% 1.16 seconds per year.
Get used to it.
I was a heel striker in my teen years, but twenty+ years latera mid/fore foot striker now. Part of getting old (and not stretching)
morris(not-the-cat) wrote:
Just turned 65, realized the phenomenon as my 5k time has risen 3 min the past 5 years. Confirmed by watching the strides others of various ages on an indoor track at the Y. Began trying to correct 6 mo ago by lifting the knee more during the fore step and closing the angle at the knee more following pushoff; also doing lots of hamstring curls to increase the strength ratio to the quads. It is working really well, but it is taking time and practice. Repeat mile intervals are now very comfortable at 6:50 pace w/30s rest int. Will test the work with a 5k this spring hoping to achieve 20:xx min. range. Anyone have other suggestions?
It's good to hear what you are trying is working. I could suggest other exercises - deadlifts, lunges, etc., even the dreaded stretching! But let's face it, it takes us more effort to try to get the same results as we get older. And this can easily lead to injury.
Or we could just not get older. There is an aternative...
So be careful. And especially be thankful that you are still out the door and moving.
Your cadence will stay about the same until you really get old. Do the math. If you're still rolling at the same steps per minute, something has to give.
Wejo - Yes, your stride is shrinking. No, you can't completely arrest that development. But, yes, you can minimize/delay the effect. Unfortunately, you can't do this with a single, magic bullet exercise. You need to train your muscles for both strength and strength-through-full-range-of-motion, and you need to retrain your nervous system. I see that someone already linked to my article on stride length for Competitor, but you'll probably need a more wide-ranging approach than that if you truly want to address your stride. My book, Build Your Running Body (with co-authors Tom Schwartz and Melissa Breyer) offers photo instruction for drills, plyometrics, resistance training, non-static stretching (active isolated stretching is the best for range of motion), and faster work that can help you recapture your stride. It also includes injury-prevention exercises that can help you stay healthy as you begin to add those workouts to your schedule. Finally, no, you don't have to add hours to your current schedule in order to salvage your stride--you just need to replace some of the time you spend doing distance with time spent training your entire running body. Doing just distance is like going into a gym, doing nothing but biceps curls, and wondering why your chest and legs aren't getting any stronger. Good luck!
Simple advice -
do strides ( some coaches call them run-throughs) after every run.