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Sounds like a solid showing for Soratos. Not that 3:57 and 2 seconds out of the win are good but he didn't exactly have a good year last year.

DMR: kinda figured that would happen

3k: Paul Chelimo! Also nice to see Jenkins mixing it up with them. He's gonna be really dangerous. And Didn't figure Murphy would break 8 but I thought he may be a little quicker. He may be less of a 1500m guy than he thinks he is. But time will tell.

I was only 36 seconds or so off on my Clayton Murphy prediction, to pair it with a similarly bigly miss on Symmonds a few years ago. I still hold out hope that Murphy will drop a lot of time in the future after running more 1500s. He basically lasted 1600 (4:12) and then got a second slower per lap until sticking at 36/35. Well, this sort of time last year didn't hold him back outdoors at the 8. Nice outing for Chelimo, closing in 26. Not bad scalps for Jenkins (Gebremeskel and Lalang (2 sub 13 guys)).

Drew Hunter would have won this race and handed it to Centro-slug.

A swell time was had by all.

Great races for Soratos. Seems like the move back to Montana was a good decision. Plus his gf is A++

jjjjjj wrote:

I was only 36 seconds or so off on my Clayton Murphy prediction, to pair it with a similarly bigly miss on Symmonds a few years ago. I still hold out hope that Murphy will drop a lot of time in the future after running more 1500s. He basically lasted 1600 (4:12) and then got a second slower per lap until sticking at 36/35. Well, this sort of time last year didn't hold him back outdoors at the 8. Nice outing for Chelimo, closing in 26. Not bad scalps for Jenkins (Gebremeskel and Lalang (2 sub 13 guys)).

Murphy is a pure 800/1500 guy with great speed. Which means he will eventually run 1500 times that are better than our current top guys, including Centro. Murphy's two 45+ relay legs say a lot. Centro is great, a superb racer, but he'll never be a consistent sub 3:30 runner. He is a top notch racer obviously, as long as the the races aren't quicker than 3:30 1500 / 3:50 mile. Then he struggles. But championship races are rarely fast, so never count him out when medals are on the line.

Murphy may never win gold, but he has the wheels to hit 1:41 high, 1:42 flat at least along with 3:27-28. None of our other top 1500 guys are capable of that, have the potential for that. I won't compare him with certain runners who are protected because they are from anointed third world countries that are allowed to dope for political reasons that reach far beyond track per se. LOL

Soratos salt wrote:

Plus his gf is A++

I'll make a different prediction:

Murphy never sets a PB in the 800m again and never breaks 3:32.

wejo wrote:

They get the record*

The times we were talking about was the world outdoor record 10:36.50).

Officially the IAAF doesn't recognize an indoor record but it was 10:42.57.

Should we at LetsRun just call it a world record?

It's a "world's best."

wejo wrote:

They get the record*

The times we were talking about was the world outdoor record 10:36.50).

Officially the IAAF doesn't recognize an indoor record but it was 10:42.57.

Should we at LetsRun just call it a world record?

Track & Field News recognizes it so, . . . yes, that's good enough.

rojo wrote:

rjm33 wrote:

The Mike Pence thread has already been deleted today…which I did not start.

You can just have the posts deleted like yesterday.

rojo has posted on a thread saying …" I hope everyone is going to make fun of rjm33 because he does not understand malaria treatment and Kenyan runners…"

Talk to your brother about his comments.

What are you talking about? I never did such a thing. Please email me so we can talk about it.

Robertjohnson@letsrun.com

Hey rojo.

Your memory is damaged.

Anemia can be associated with malaria. I pointed out on the malaria thread that Paul Tergat, Martin Lel, and Sammy Wanjiru all had "malaria" and were all managed by Federico Rosa. I also pointed out that Dennis Kimetto, the world record holder in the marathon, ran a 2:03:45 marathon 6 weeks after a bout of "malaria".

Wilson Erupe tested positive for EPO and then said the EPO he tested positive for was to treat his malaria. Rita Jeptoo also tested positive for EPO and said she was treating her malaria. She is also coached by Claudio Berardelli and managed Federico Rosa.

Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes of Spain said he was just using EPO and blood transfusions to treat the "anemia" of his athletes.

It is just a coincidence.

rojo needs some memory help:

rjm33 wrote:

You are right...malaria is prevalent in Africa...so it could just be a coincidence.

But the world record holder in the marathon running 2:03... 6 weeks after a bout of malaria...which causes anemia!...seems almost too unbelievable!...

...this is starting to sound familiar to another thread... which is now becoming very boring...

The Italian connection is key. Look at what Dr. Francesco Conconi was publishing a study about in the year 1988, the same year EPO was banned by the International Ski Federation that governs cross-country skiers:

For another coincidence...

Martin Lel won the World Half-marathon Championships at Vilamoura in 2003 ...the same year that Paula Radcliffe won the women's championship race. I have heard it was warm that day... but nobody in the world knows what the actual temperature was during the race that day!

For another coincidence, as you can see from the link above...Martin Lel was coached by Claudio Berardelli... and his manager was Frederico Rosa..

RJM, I haven't been on this thread since the day I posted it. Please email me if you have any questions.

Youre posts seem to have no logic.

This is how I see it.

1) Malaria is common in Kenya. I'm not sure what some korean-kenyan testing positive has anything to do with the rosa group. Is it possible groups could have been using EPO for a long time in Kenya? of course it is but that has nothing to do with the case wer are talking about here.

2) The thing you seem to not understand is people will say they had malaria when they simply got sick so it's not necessarily malaria even if it's in the press that way.

3) I've learned from posting this thread as a few people have posted, or emailed me that it is indeed possible that someone was given EPO after they got malaria. So it's possible this guy Erupe didn't mean to cheat.

Instead you've taken this thread back into the 1980s.

rojo

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RE: Scientists & doctors please chime in - Is EPO a prescription given to malaria patients as a 2:05 marathoner claims? 4/11/2016 10:43AM - in reply to Other greats had malaria

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Other greats had malaria wrote:

So, with regards to this athlete, I see a big issue: being able to come back from that kind of illness and perform as a 2:05 marathoner.Filbert Bayi, the great world record setting miler, had recurring malaria.

Billy Konchellah won two world 800m titles. Pretty sure he missed one of the world championships in between his two titles because he had tuberculosis, and had to stop training on more than one occasion because of TB. He was also sick in another way, but no need to dredge that up again.

What's your point? I hope you are making fun of RJM. EPO didn't exist when Bayi competed.

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Can you read the part where you say … "I hope you are making fun of RJM."???

Does that help your memory damage??? …or would you like to be called a liar instead??? It is your choice.

In conclusion:

1) The humans with the least knowledge always think that they know more than everyone else.

Where is the link to the old thread?

What's your point? I hope you are making fun of RJM. EPO didn't exist when Bayi competed.

Thank you very much, Rojo. I consider a comment like that from you to be expected.

If you talk to Paula Perfect Transparency Radcliffe soon, please ask her if she is ever going to release any blood test results for hemoglobin and reticulocyte levels from around her 2:15 or 2:17 world record marathons.

That is a question I have for Paula that you can help me get answered.

Thanks so much for helping me get some answers to my questions.

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And who would even care? 1:42.xx over 800m and Olympic bronze? I'd be happy to go on with a real life after that. As an aside, he's only 21.

I dont know that Murphy's 3000m tells us anything of his potential at 1500/mile. Coe ran 46.6 in his youth (21-22) and his 3000 PR of 7:54 was set at age 30.

His 800 PR was at age 25.

PRs for Symonds 29, Kipketer 27, Juantorena 26, etc.

English Gardner's eyes looked so big.

Call it a world record if you want. DMR is cool because it puts athletes together who never would meet otherwise. Sidney meeting Jenny, Emma, and BMart.

This was a strange team with 2 hurdlers, and Emma running the 1200, not nearly her normal distance.

It was really quite an amazing performance for January. A lot of pressure on Jenny. She ran a smart race (time trial) and she delivered again.

The record is squishy soft as a "world" record. Look up the fastest 2000 meters for women: 3:25.26, or 65.072 seconds per 400 meters. Within that 2000 she must have run a 1200 in about 3:15.2 and a 1600 in about 4:20.3.

Performances like that of Sonia O'Sullivan are worthy of world record celebrity. Not a fake news DMR.