After Michigan certifies the election results on Monday, more and more elected Republicans will start making comments about Joe getting access to information.
Most comments won't be forthright and won't reflect actual bravery but many will be in the right direction. A number of Republicans will be doing this.
What we have seen from this party has been an appalling dereliction of duty and violation of oath of office.
Trump needs to have the every legal consequence pursued because of what he has done to our country.
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con-lateral wrote:
KI52 wrote:
And that would involve completely disenfranchising all of the voters of a state, regardless of who they voted for. I don't think it would go over well with the voters of Michigan, or any other state, to say "sorry, you wasted your time voting, but your votes don't count". This will not happen.
It should not happen, but then there is Trump. If even one state sent conflicting electors and Congress (the Republican Senate majority) decided to simply cancel that state out (0 electoral votes) that would indeed disenfranchise voters through no fault of their own--through the fault of certain politicians. There would be a serious call to kill off the antiquated Electoral College because a rouge actor like Trump could abuse it.
Under agip's claim that 270 EC votes are required to "win," it becomes possible for a small number of states to decline to send in electoral college votes. Just enough rouge states to drive the winner under 270. And then there is no president elected at all because a few states chose to muck up the system.
sure a president would be elected - the House would pick the president. -
Dan Kahneman wrote:
After Michigan certifies the election results on Monday, more and more elected Republicans will start making comments about Joe getting access to information.
Most comments won't be forthright and won't reflect actual bravery but many will be in the right direction. A number of Republicans will be doing this.
What we have seen from this party has been an appalling dereliction of duty and violation of oath of office.
Trump needs to have the every legal consequence pursued because of what he has done to our country.
yeah despite trump attempting to steal the election, toomey says
“Make no mistake about it, I am deeply disappointed that President Trump and Vice President Pence were not re-elected. "
Think about that. Toomey want to have a president who is actively trying to steal an election.
That's who the Rs are. -
agip wrote:
Dan Kahneman wrote:
After Michigan certifies the election results on Monday, more and more elected Republicans will start making comments about Joe getting access to information.
Most comments won't be forthright and won't reflect actual bravery but many will be in the right direction. A number of Republicans will be doing this.
What we have seen from this party has been an appalling dereliction of duty and violation of oath of office.
Trump needs to have the every legal consequence pursued because of what he has done to our country.
yeah despite trump attempting to steal the election, toomey says
“Make no mistake about it, I am deeply disappointed that President Trump and Vice President Pence were not re-elected. "
Think about that. Toomey want to have a president who is actively trying to steal an election.
That's who the Rs are.
Yep and unfortunately they have 74 million votes compelling them to continue behaving this way. -
So dudes, here’s my Parler experiment after one day. It’s a cesspool of brainwashed a$$holes. Within hours I (as a pretend trumper from Georgia) received a bunch of invitations to join the Proud Boys, participate in pro-trump rallies and donate to the cause. There are a lot of users on the platform already and it’s a much worse echo chamber than Twitter. It is riddled with fantasies about trump staying in office, Democrats being dragged out in the streets and jailed/shot, and of course the Q predictions coming true.
The most interest observation though is that there is an extreme amount of hate spewed about the GOP. People are beyond livid that the GOP is not brute forcing the fixing of the election and saving the king. I’m realizing people are really volunteering to live in their own Orwellian world. How desperate do you have to be to fall for this $hit? -
Trollminator wrote:
So dudes, here’s my Parler experiment after one day. It’s a cesspool of brainwashed a$$holes. Within hours I (as a pretend trumper from Georgia) received a bunch of invitations to join the Proud Boys, participate in pro-trump rallies and donate to the cause. There are a lot of users on the platform already and it’s a much worse echo chamber than Twitter. It is riddled with fantasies about trump staying in office, Democrats being dragged out in the streets and jailed/shot, and of course the Q predictions coming true.
The most interest observation though is that there is an extreme amount of hate spewed about the GOP. People are beyond livid that the GOP is not brute forcing the fixing of the election and saving the king. I’m realizing people are really volunteering to live in their own Orwellian world. How desperate do you have to be to fall for this $hit?
Btw we really can’t rule out Dems picking up both senate seats in GA. You would think there would be a huge sense of urgency from Rs to make sure they hold the senate but no, there are no Rs left, they are all trumpers. There are multiple events being organized on Parler through the runoffs - a lot of trumpers plan to write in trump and throw the GOP under the bus for not trying to save the king. They feel back stabbed by the GOP, but of course never by trump. I think at this point not even trump on tape calling his followers morons would sway them. -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y68pEknYyCM
Oh this is going to be sooooooo satisfying to watch the real truth play out as the sissy Bidenettes lose their stolen election. Can't wait:). Amazing the not one of you can see what your lying racist side did to steal it and won't see this coming. Thanks Alan, you are the most unbiased poster on this thread. -
Trollminator wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
So dudes, here’s my Parler experiment after one day. It’s a cesspool of brainwashed a$$holes. Within hours I (as a pretend trumper from Georgia) received a bunch of invitations to join the Proud Boys, participate in pro-trump rallies and donate to the cause. There are a lot of users on the platform already and it’s a much worse echo chamber than Twitter. It is riddled with fantasies about trump staying in office, Democrats being dragged out in the streets and jailed/shot, and of course the Q predictions coming true.
The most interest observation though is that there is an extreme amount of hate spewed about the GOP. People are beyond livid that the GOP is not brute forcing the fixing of the election and saving the king. I’m realizing people are really volunteering to live in their own Orwellian world. How desperate do you have to be to fall for this $hit?
Btw we really can’t rule out Dems picking up both senate seats in GA. You would think there would be a huge sense of urgency from Rs to make sure they hold the senate but no, there are no Rs left, they are all trumpers. There are multiple events being organized on Parler through the runoffs - a lot of trumpers plan to write in trump and throw the GOP under the bus for not trying to save the king. They feel back stabbed by the GOP, but of course never by trump. I think at this point not even trump on tape calling his followers morons would sway them.
wow - that's amazing. That's a very clear distillation of the world we live in - it's not 'conservative' policy anymore beyond mo'guns...it's just about Trump. For those people.
I'll tell you something...Trump has all the leverage in the world over the rest of the R party. All he has to do is hint that he will take his voters and start a new party...and the old fashioned Rs will crumble like the a sand castle at high tide. Trump is likely to win the battle over the R party, and be relevant as long as he is a free man and mentally competent. -
Flybang mash wrote:
couldn't continue waiting at least 5 minutes wrote:
Flybang mash wrote:
couldn't continue waiting at least 5 minutes wrote:
Flybang mash wrote:
Trump has no plans to go anywhere. First, he has inertia on his side - he's the guy in office right now. He has the Senate on his side. He absolutely has the Supreme Court in his pocket. He's always had the military on his side, which is KEY here. And he has the police on his side, including the Capitol police, thanks to many stupid missteps and mistakes by Democrats. And he has legions of lawyers who will put their name and reputation on the line for him. Not to mention 75 million people who want him as president, many of whom WILL take up arms to make sure he stays. Trump has no reason to leave that I can see.
The country should prepare itself for the spectacle of two separate inaugurations on January 20th, and Trump will be the one in DC. It will remain to be seen who various government agencies will take orders from - Trump or Biden, but Trump has done an amazing job of getting hard-core loyalists in place at various positions that matter.
This is FAR from over.
Developing . . . . . . .
Bet?
What odds and what minimum bet? It would have to be at least 5:1.
Straight up. You made the call, not I.
How much would you like to wager? I'd prefer the loser donate to a charity selected by the winner.
I didn't make "a call." I set forth a series of events that could reasonably happen, and gave reasons that this thing may very well be far from over, and made predictions about what Trump may be thinking. I'd need like 12:1, given the obstacles and unknowns my bet would face. I'm doing all the heavy lifting. You're betting on the status quo going back 200 years. You're betting vanilla will still be a flavor.
Oh, I see. Now you are saying something a bit different...
You are now saying that there is a 8.33% chance (or less) that all that stuff you write will happen. Had you written it that way I wouldn't have responded to your post.
The original post was written as if you were sure it was going to happen and since you are now not so sure... it's just something that might happen, then never mind the bet.
Here's my prediction at what might happen...
Trump plays all his delay cards for as long as he can. Of course, since he is bluffing (as always) he will slink away from the WH sometime before the election. On the date of the inauguration he will have a big trump rally. He will never admit to defeat. Many of his supporters who continue to believe his BS will attend. Many will donate to his cause (= foolishly give him money to pocket). Many will continue to think the election was stolen though it wasn't. Some will riot over the following weeks. It will not be pretty for anyone. And the person to blame for all this will be trump, who is, and always has been a con man.
Like your statement though, that's just a guess at the future mixed with opinion. -
Flybang mash wrote:
couldn't continue waiting at least 5 minutes wrote:
Flybang mash wrote:
Trump has no plans to go anywhere. First, he has inertia on his side - he's the guy in office right now. He has the Senate on his side. He absolutely has the Supreme Court in his pocket. He's always had the military on his side, which is KEY here. And he has the police on his side, including the Capitol police, thanks to many stupid missteps and mistakes by Democrats. And he has legions of lawyers who will put their name and reputation on the line for him. Not to mention 75 million people who want him as president, many of whom WILL take up arms to make sure he stays. Trump has no reason to leave that I can see.
The country should prepare itself for the spectacle of two separate inaugurations on January 20th, and Trump will be the one in DC. It will remain to be seen who various government agencies will take orders from - Trump or Biden, but Trump has done an amazing job of getting hard-core loyalists in place at various positions that matter.
This is FAR from over.
Developing . . . . . . .
Bet?
What odds and what minimum bet? It would have to be at least 5:1.
I'll give you 5-1 odds that Trump does not remain as President past Jan 20th when Biden gets sworn in. My $500 against your $100.
Winner picks the charity. -
Surprise! wrote:
Flybang mash wrote:
couldn't continue waiting at least 5 minutes wrote:
Flybang mash wrote:
Trump has no plans to go anywhere. First, he has inertia on his side - he's the guy in office right now. He has the Senate on his side. He absolutely has the Supreme Court in his pocket. He's always had the military on his side, which is KEY here. And he has the police on his side, including the Capitol police, thanks to many stupid missteps and mistakes by Democrats. And he has legions of lawyers who will put their name and reputation on the line for him. Not to mention 75 million people who want him as president, many of whom WILL take up arms to make sure he stays. Trump has no reason to leave that I can see.
The country should prepare itself for the spectacle of two separate inaugurations on January 20th, and Trump will be the one in DC. It will remain to be seen who various government agencies will take orders from - Trump or Biden, but Trump has done an amazing job of getting hard-core loyalists in place at various positions that matter.
This is FAR from over.
Developing . . . . . . .
Bet?
What odds and what minimum bet? It would have to be at least 5:1.
I'll give you 5-1 odds that Trump does not remain as President past Jan 20th when Biden gets sworn in. My $500 against your $100.
Winner picks the charity.
Trump won't remain as president or have an alternate inauguration because of the obvious legal ramifications.
Personally, I suspect that he will be out of Washington by January 19. Too hard for him to sit in an audience and watch Biden be sworn in on Jan 20. More in character to retreat to one of his golf resorts and launch real-time twitter bombs during Joe's inauguration (e.g., "Smallest crowd EVER"). -
agip wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
So dudes, here’s my Parler experiment after one day. It’s a cesspool of brainwashed a$$holes. Within hours I (as a pretend trumper from Georgia) received a bunch of invitations to join the Proud Boys, participate in pro-trump rallies and donate to the cause. There are a lot of users on the platform already and it’s a much worse echo chamber than Twitter. It is riddled with fantasies about trump staying in office, Democrats being dragged out in the streets and jailed/shot, and of course the Q predictions coming true.
The most interest observation though is that there is an extreme amount of hate spewed about the GOP. People are beyond livid that the GOP is not brute forcing the fixing of the election and saving the king. I’m realizing people are really volunteering to live in their own Orwellian world. How desperate do you have to be to fall for this $hit?
Btw we really can’t rule out Dems picking up both senate seats in GA. You would think there would be a huge sense of urgency from Rs to make sure they hold the senate but no, there are no Rs left, they are all trumpers. There are multiple events being organized on Parler through the runoffs - a lot of trumpers plan to write in trump and throw the GOP under the bus for not trying to save the king. They feel back stabbed by the GOP, but of course never by trump. I think at this point not even trump on tape calling his followers morons would sway them.
wow - that's amazing. That's a very clear distillation of the world we live in - it's not 'conservative' policy anymore beyond mo'guns...it's just about Trump. For those people.
I'll tell you something...Trump has all the leverage in the world over the rest of the R party. All he has to do is hint that he will take his voters and start a new party...and the old fashioned Rs will crumble like the a sand castle at high tide. Trump is likely to win the battle over the R party, and be relevant as long as he is a free man and mentally competent.
Yeah I didn’t realize just how vulnerable they are until now. It’s no surprise the GOP is totally on standby mode, they are stuck under trump’s thumb and if he moves quickly without them he can have his trump party. He would get to fleece the masses to his heart’s desire and the Dems would absolutely destroy them in the next election. Perhaps this is why the Dems have been restraining themselves with talk about trump being thrown in the brig. This all may go in their favor bigly soon. On the flip side, the GOP will be doing everything possible to help trump avoid trouble, but they can’t save him from being booted out of the WH in Jan. -
agip wrote:
con-lateral wrote:
And then there is no president elected at all because a few states chose to muck up the system.
sure a president would be elected - the House would pick the president.
Elected and picked are not the same thing. You are claiming that a few hundred people (Congress) have picking power which is greater than the voting power of 150,000,000 voters for president. -
spoooooooo wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y68pEknYyCM
Oh this is going to be sooooooo satisfying to watch the real truth play out as the sissy Bidenettes lose their stolen election. Can't wait:). Amazing the not one of you can see what your lying racist side did to steal it and won't see this coming. Thanks Alan, you are the most unbiased poster on this thread.
We can't see that the Election was stolen because there was, and continue to be, no evidence supporting the case that Trump won. This is already being seen in the courts. Trump Supporters who actually believe his absurd claims of fraud are sheep, who cannot think for themselves. Please realize that you're blindly following Trump. HE HAS NO EVIDENCE. THERE IS NO FRAUD. -
bonus wrote:
agip wrote:
con-lateral wrote:
And then there is no president elected at all because a few states chose to muck up the system.
sure a president would be elected - the House would pick the president.
Elected and picked are not the same thing. You are claiming that a few hundred people (Congress) have picking power which is greater than the voting power of 150,000,000 voters for president.
I'm just countering the claim of a poster who seemed to say that we would have no way to select a president if someone had to get to 270 electoral votes but no one did.
When that happens, the House would choose the president. It's all in the Constitution. -
Dan Kahneman wrote:
After Michigan certifies the election results on Monday, more and more elected Republicans will start making comments about Joe getting access to information.
Something is amuck in Michigan. Lee Chatfield (MI House Speaker) said on Fox News. "[Trump] did not ask GOP lawmakers to ‘break the law’ or ‘intervene’ in election." It appears he asked them to create a constitutional crisis in Michigan by refusing to certify the popular vote. And unless ordered by the republican controlled MI Supreme Court allow the crisis to run on, and then have the legislature appoint electors who will pick Trump as the fake "winner" of Michigan. This is the plan how to "not" "break the law" or not "directly" intervene.
For anyone willing to stomach listening to the asshat, Lee Chatfield, watch the video below. His constant smile is that tells you he cannot wait until Monday to launch Trump's steal the votes plan.
https://twitter.com/davideggert00/status/1330505698606780417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt1bbyF0IMI -
agip wrote:
bonus wrote:
agip wrote:
con-lateral wrote:
And then there is no president elected at all because a few states chose to muck up the system.
sure a president would be elected - the House would pick the president.
Elected and picked are not the same thing. You are claiming that a few hundred people (Congress) have picking power which is greater than the voting power of 150,000,000 voters for president.
I'm just countering the claim of a poster who seemed to say that we would have no way to select a president if someone had to get to 270 electoral votes but no one did.
When that happens, the House would choose the president. It's all in the Constitution.
I take the word "elect" as meaning the normal election process where the people of each state make the choice, and not a certain political party picking someone other than who the people picked. -
Flybang mash wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Flybang mash wrote:
Trump has no plans to go anywhere. First, he has inertia on his side - he's the guy in office right now. He has the Senate on his side. He absolutely has the Supreme Court in his pocket. He's always had the military on his side, which is KEY here. And he has the police on his side, including the Capitol police, thanks to many stupid missteps and mistakes by Democrats. And he has legions of lawyers who will put their name and reputation on the line for him. Not to mention 75 million people who want him as president, many of whom WILL take up arms to make sure he stays. Trump has no reason to leave that I can see.
The country should prepare itself for the spectacle of two separate inaugurations on January 20th, and Trump will be the one in DC. It will remain to be seen who various government agencies will take orders from - Trump or Biden, but Trump has done an amazing job of getting hard-core loyalists in place at various positions that matter.
This is FAR from over.
Developing . . . . . . .
0/10
So, how do you think it plays out, Poley? Where do you see this ending? What do you see Trump doing? I'll give you like an 8/10 if you reveal your thoughts. But I'll insult your appearance if you chicken out.
Ha! I'm not influenced by any fear you might insult me. You are clearly Sally, a HUGE moron and bad person.
I will answer though because this is an interesting topic.
I have no idea what Trump will do. He's delusional, criminal, and amoral. I can't predict what a person like that will do.
Here is what WILL happen though, and #1 is really the only important one:
1) Assuming he is alive, Joe Biden WILL be sworn in as the 46th president of the United States on Jan. 20, 2021.
2) IF Trump is in the White House on that day and refuses to leave, he WILL be escorted out, probably in zip ties.
3) IF Trump tries to mobilize these stupid militias or for some SUPER crazy reason tries to mobilize the military or police to stay in power, he will be arrested and charged with Sedition.
4) IF Trump manages to stay out of prison (which I don't think he will) and he attempts a radio and/or television network, it will show initial promise because people will rubberneck a train wreck, but it will fizzle out like all of his other businesses he has tried to start from scratch. He's just not a good businessman (and no I won't entertain any of your like crap responses to the contrary).
5) Best case scenario for Trump is to concede and hope he isn't thrown in prison. Worst case for Trump is that he never concedes and takes illegal action to try to stay in power and is thrown in prison immediately. Most likely case is he won't concede (he doesn't have to), will continue to whine that he won, but he will will eventually go to prison for all kinds of fraud...bank fraud, tax fraud, insurance fraud, and MAYBE even money laundering. His three idiot children (and yes you know which three I'm talking about) are going to prison also, though Eric has the best chance to stay out. -
Trollminator wrote:
So dudes, here’s my Parler experiment after one day. It’s a cesspool of brainwashed a$$holes. Within hours I (as a pretend trumper from Georgia) received a bunch of invitations to join the Proud Boys, participate in pro-trump rallies and donate to the cause. There are a lot of users on the platform already and it’s a much worse echo chamber than Twitter. It is riddled with fantasies about trump staying in office, Democrats being dragged out in the streets and jailed/shot, and of course the Q predictions coming true.
The most interest observation though is that there is an extreme amount of hate spewed about the GOP. People are beyond livid that the GOP is not brute forcing the fixing of the election and saving the king. I’m realizing people are really volunteering to live in their own Orwellian world. How desperate do you have to be to fall for this $hit?
I don't doubt that the general vibe there is what you say and that MOST of them are sincere. I do wonder how many of them though are fakers like you are there?
