Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

you're not asking me, but I'm sure Trump would lose today. He won by a tiny amount of people - say 100,000 in just the rigt three states. There is no freaking way that he would get those same margin - easy to predict that way more than 100,000 more Dems would show up now. And the Indies loathe trump now.

Trump would be crushed today.

Trump still has rabid supporters, and Hillary had baggage and lots of people who would never vote for her. With what we have seen now from Trump, I would like to think that the election might be different, but I would not bet on it. Lots of voters out there who "held my nose and voted for Trump" who would do it again to keep Hillary out.

We need to see the trend of people turning their back on Trump continue before I would be even moderately comfortable that he couldn't win again. As bad as this first term with Trump has been, it would be an unmitigated disaster to have him in a second term.

this is dead on. Trumpers don't seem to realize this. From Danforth, former Repub senator. Trump's intentional divisiveness is one of his worst sins. In my mind second only to his utter lack of morality and ethics.

The Republican Party has a long history of standing for a united country. Theodore Roosevelt raised up the ordinary people of his day and championed their cause against abusive trusts. Dwight Eisenhower used the army to integrate a Little Rock high school. George H.W. Bush signed the most important civil rights legislation in more than a quarter-century, a bill authored by Republican senators. George W. Bush stood before Congress and the nation and defended Muslims after 9/11. Our record hasn’t been perfect. When we have pushed the agenda of the Christian right, we have seemed to exclude people who don’t share our religious beliefs. We have seemed unfriendly to gay Americans. But our long history has been to uphold the dignity of all of God’s people and to build a country welcoming to all.

"Now comes Trump, who is exactly what Republicans are not, who is exactly what we have opposed in our 160-year history. We are the party of the Union, and he is the most divisive president in our history. There hasn’t been a more divisive person in national politics since George Wallace.

It isn’t a matter of occasional asides, or indiscreet slips of the tongue uttered at unguarded moments. Trump is always eager to tell people that they don’t belong here, whether it’s Mexicans, Muslims, transgender people or another group. His message is, “You are not one of us,” the opposite of “e pluribus unum.” And when he has the opportunity to unite Americans, to inspire us, to call out the most hateful among us, the KKK and the neo-Nazis, he refuses.

You are saying you will be fine if Trump agrees to not build the wall?I think I understand Trump's voters quite well.

Perhaps 'dumb as a Trump' ?

eric a blair wrote:

sorry, too late. Trump has already lost support.

Among repubs, his support fell from 90% to around 75%.

Among independents, his support fell from around 42% to 29%

Among Dems it fell from 13% to 8%

Overall, from 45 down to 37.

Dozens of corporations quit his councils to avoid being seen to support him.

Around 10 republican US senators have publicly rebuked him

Not sure you read the news, but this is the most disastrous presidency in 100 years.

Maybe you live in Wyoming and have never met a Democrat, i don't know.

itsbaddude wrote:

As long as he keeps trying he will not loose support.

Link to the poll?

exthrower wrote:

Hey Eric....Hows that "collusion" thing going for ya?

pretty good.

Here's a list of people investigating it. Sure wouldn't want them investigating me. Esp when the top people in my campaign agree that they tried really really hard to collude with the Russian gov't and even met with Russian intelligence officers. But poor dears, they failed.

Anyway, the list:

CIA

FBI

NSA

Senate

House

Special Counsel

And not about collusion, but NY State is hard at work finding Trump's financial crimes. Which can not receive prez pardons if they are from the state.

Sweet dreams.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

sorry, too late. Trump has already lost support.

Among repubs, his support fell from 90% to around 75%.

Among independents, his support fell from around 42% to 29%

Among Dems it fell from 13% to 8%

Overall, from 45 down to 37.

Dozens of corporations quit his councils to avoid being seen to support him.

Around 10 republican US senators have publicly rebuked him

Not sure you read the news, but this is the most disastrous presidency in 100 years.

Maybe you live in Wyoming and have never met a Democrat, i don't know.

Link to the poll?

mostly this:

the larger fall in repub support is from Quinnipiac or Rasmussen - I forgot which.

I agree with itsbaddude that the media attacks strengthens Trump but only with his core supporters. The attacks just make them more passionate for Trump. I think its very different for independents though.

I agree with the poster who talked about the Republicans circling the wagons when its time to vote. I have no doubt about this. This has been what they have done right along. Tribalism is very strong in todays political scene, they might talk a good game but when it's time to vote, they will be very reluctant to vote against a member of the tribe (even a hated member). Now if Mueller finds something very egregious that would be different.

I see the military cabinet members taking more day to day control and Trump continuing to to go on the road to receive adoration from his base.

Let me say it again:

I believe the confrontation over the the border wall is Trump's most important fight yet.

This time, Trump has a very strong negotiating position. He has nothing to lose by sticking it to congressional Republicans over funding for the wall. His supporters don't care that Mexico won't pay for it. They never really believed it anyway. But they do want the wall to be built. To many Trumpers, the wall is everything.

If Trump can't win this fight, he's the worst negotiator ever to hold the office.

Conundrum wrote:

I agree with the poster who talked about the Republicans circling the wagons when its time to vote. I have no doubt about this. This has been what they have done right along. Tribalism is very strong in todays political scene, they might talk a good game but when it's time to vote, they will be very reluctant to vote against a member of the tribe (even a hated member). Now if Mueller finds something very egregious that would be different.

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sure, Rs vote R and Ds vote D

But two things:

Is are swing votes. And support for Trump has collapsed among Is.

And turnout matters. We've seen from the special elections that Dems are far more motivated this time to turn out than they were in 2016.

I suspect many Rs will not be so motivated to vote in 2018 and beyond.

Not even a stump is dumb as a Trump.

eric a blair wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

I agree with the poster who talked about the Republicans circling the wagons when its time to vote. I have no doubt about this. This has been what they have done right along. Tribalism is very strong in todays political scene, they might talk a good game but when it's time to vote, they will be very reluctant to vote against a member of the tribe (even a hated member). Now if Mueller finds something very egregious that would be different.

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sure, Rs vote R and Ds vote D

But two things:

Is are swing votes. And support for Trump has collapsed among Is.

And turnout matters. We've seen from the special elections that Dems are far more motivated this time to turn out than they were in 2016.

I suspect many Rs will not be so motivated to vote in 2018 and beyond.

Yeah this is part of what I was getting at when I posed the question. Independent 'approval' of Trump may be down, but would that translate to support of another candidate? Would more people opt to sit out the vote? Or would they still vote for Trump, even if they disapprove, because they still prefer Trump over any other candidate? The answer is obviously 'it depends', and given how close the popular vote was in several key states, I am sure that it, or lower Republican turnout, could make a difference.

Flagpole wrote:

Not Nice Guy wrote:

Perhaps 'dumb as a Trump' ?

Not even a stump is dumb as a Trump.

Nobody is more wrong on making political predictions than you. Why the lib echo chamber still listens to your pronouncements anymore is comedy.

Flagpole wrote:

When Trump sees the writing on the wall, he will resign. He has ZERO chance of finishing his first term as President. If he lasts 2 more years, I will be very surprised.

LMAO. It's never gonna happen. This is epic flagpoling, indeed. 7 more years, brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

When Trump sees the writing on the wall, he will resign. He has ZERO chance of finishing his first term as President. If he lasts 2 more years, I will be very surprised.

LMAO. It's never gonna happen. This is epic flagpoling, indeed. 7 more years, brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is such a silly man. He tries to act like his self-esteem is still in good shape, but you can tell from the content of his posts that he's still reeling. Love it.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

When Trump sees the writing on the wall, he will resign. He has ZERO chance of finishing his first term as President. If he lasts 2 more years, I will be very surprised.

LMAO. It's never gonna happen. This is epic flagpoling, indeed. 7 more years, brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope. You stay away when Trump goes on one of his crazy rants, either via twitter or in person, but then after a couple of days of silence or one measured speech, you are convinced that he will be able to reign it in and that all will be ok. Well, that's not going to happen. He has crossed a line, and things are lining up against him big time. He has ZERO chance of finishing his first term, and we will likely discover that he didn't fairly win the election proving that I was right about that too.

Good chance he won't make it 6 more months, but I'll put the range up to 2 years. He will resign before then.

More winning Trump style.

Religious leaders plan rally in Washington as a moral rebuke to Trump’s presidency

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/08/25/religious-leaders-plan-rally-in-washington-as-a-moral-rebuke-to-trumps-presidency/

I would expect more Republicans will sit out the next election.