"History has shown time and time again that a community without a Negro is a safer one. Look at Chicago vs predominantly White towns. You see a difference real fast and that difference extends beyond skin color."
"History has shown time and time again that a community without a Negro is a safer one. Look at Chicago vs predominantly White towns. You see a difference real fast and that difference extends beyond skin color."
http://www.essence.com/culture/horrific-kkk-crimesDiscoGary wrote:
DiscoDense wrote:LOL .... a 100% blind Trumpkin, and White Supremacists demands evidence --- but only when it involves misdeeds by Republicans.
Well, have these groups been involved in violence in recent years? I could give dozens of examples of left-wing extremist violence over just the past two years. Do you have anything on these guys?
And even if they had been violent in the past, it doesn't justify the violent attempts to shut down their free speech at this event. Just because BLM rioted in Baltimore doesn't give me the right to beat them up in Milwaukee.
DiscoGary wrote:
Well, they WERE attacked by the mob she was part of.
Where can I find this video of the White Nationalists peacefully marching and being violently attacked by the anti-confederates à la the Gandhi's followers marching towards the Salt Works?
DiscoGary wrote:
If Nazis had attacked a BLM rally and then one of the Nazis had been killed by a BLM member after the event, would you be outraged if the BLM people said they were glad the Nazi was killed? No. It would have been cheered as self defense, instant street justice, and good for the country.
Here's a message from me, an avowed liberal, to you: I don't want anyone to be killed.
You also don't understand what BLM is and what Nazism is. BLM is a loosely organized movement that makes use of public demonstration (and disruptions) to raise awareness to the disproportionate mistreatment of black people by law enforcement in the United States. As a loosely organized movements go, some people act way out of line when marching under the BLM banner, however, its founding principle is one of reducing violence and mistreatment against a group of people that have experienced it disproportionately.
Nazism, however, is a fascist ideology that promotes white-European superiority above all other racial groups.
You can disagree with BLM's tactics and actions of individual persons who associate with the movement, but I don't see how a reasonable person doesn't agree that, yes, we don't want any person or group of people to be mistreated by anyone else, especially law enforcement and the criminal justice system.
On the other hand, I fail to find a single redeeming quality in Nazism and its adherents.
And to reiterate my point again, the early death of any human is tragic. If a young Nazi died, I would be mournful that a young man or woman was so misguided and died before finding the path out of brainwashing and to a less hateful life.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Here's a message from me, an avowed liberal, to you: I don't want anyone to be killed.
The old "both sides" response Trump got crucified for.
foo wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:http://www.essence.com/culture/horrific-kkk-crimesWell, have these groups been involved in violence in recent years? I could give dozens of examples of left-wing extremist violence over just the past two years. Do you have anything on these guys?
And even if they had been violent in the past, it doesn't justify the violent attempts to shut down their free speech at this event. Just because BLM rioted in Baltimore doesn't give me the right to beat them up in Milwaukee.
This is all they had for the last 10 years:
10. Murder of Jason Smith - Eros, Louisiana, 2011
Jason Smith was a 14-year-old Black student from Louisiana who was found dead in a local lake with his organs missing. Although his death was ruled an "accidental drowning," his father and family maintain that the killing was the doing of local KKK members.
11. Jewish Community Center Murders - Overland Park, Kansas 2014
Former KKK leader Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. murdered three people after opening fire at a local Jewish community center.
12. Stabbing Of Anti-KKK Protesters At Klan Rally - Anaheim, California 2016
Three people were stabbed by members and supporters of the KKK while protesting against their rally in California.
#10, They don't have any proof who did it. What is that doing on this list?
#11, Why is he listed as "former" KKK? That doesn't sound like a formally planned KKK hit. It sounds like a rogue KKK loser killed people on his own. You get half credit for that one.
#12, Anti-KKK protesters stabbed!? Gee, I wonder what those anti-KKK protesters were doing to get stabbed? Beating people up? I'm putting that one under "self defense".
That's all you got for KKK and Nazi violence for the last 10 years? Where's the epidemic of violence, threats, burnings, and looting we've seen from the left? Where do we see them showing up at liberal events beating up people and trying to shut down their free speech? Nothing.
You know what? I'm not afraid of these Nazi KKK guys because it seems like they'll leave you alone if you don't try to beat them up. In fact, compared Antifa, BLM, and Occupy, these Nazis are model citizens!
At least the with the Nazis and KKK I can disagree with them without getting beaten up. Can't say that about your left wing activists.
DiscoGary wrote:
^racist burger
I also can go a quote the dictionary. That definition lacks context and words are very imprecise. With that definition you can argue that police are terrorists when they arrest people. You can argue that Obama was a terrorist when he bombed Libya and Syria and killed civilians.You are changing the meaning of the word as it is currently used because you don't like the way it is used. The leftist have a hard time calling anyone a terrorist before until now. Now it is convenient to use the term against Trump since he was calling out the MSM for not calling out terrorists.All these arguments from the left are absurd and seem highly organized and collusive.You guys have to stop arguing like little kids.
Fat hurts wrote:
itsbaddude wrote:The guy that ran over people with his car should be prosecuted to the full extend of that law. However, you are hijacking the word terrorist. I often wonder if you get some talking points from some central leftist site.
The word terrorist is reserved from people like ISIS and similar groups of people that hate the "west." By calling this guy a terrorist you are diminishing the real fighting that is going on in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan where many people are dying.
Google the word "terrorist" and you will see that I have used it correctly:
ter·ror·ist
ˈterərəst/
noun
noun: terrorist; plural noun: terrorists
1. a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
synonyms: extremist, fanatic; More
Jeff Wigand wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:Well, they WERE attacked by the mob she was part of.
Where can I find this video of the White Nationalists peacefully marching and being violently attacked by the anti-confederates à la the Gandhi's followers marching towards the Salt Works?
DiscoGary wrote:
If Nazis had attacked a BLM rally and then one of the Nazis had been killed by a BLM member after the event, would you be outraged if the BLM people said they were glad the Nazi was killed? No. It would have been cheered as self defense, instant street justice, and good for the country.
Here's a message from me, an avowed liberal, to you: I don't want anyone to be killed.
You also don't understand what BLM is and what Nazism is. BLM is a loosely organized movement that makes use of public demonstration (and disruptions) to raise awareness to the disproportionate mistreatment of black people by law enforcement in the United States. As a loosely organized movements go, some people act way out of line when marching under the BLM banner, however, its founding principle is one of reducing violence and mistreatment against a group of people that have experienced it disproportionately.
Nazism, however, is a fascist ideology that promotes white-European superiority above all other racial groups.
You can disagree with BLM's tactics and actions of individual persons who associate with the movement, but I don't see how a reasonable person doesn't agree that, yes, we don't want any person or group of people to be mistreated by anyone else, especially law enforcement and the criminal justice system.
On the other hand, I fail to find a single redeeming quality in Nazism and its adherents.
And to reiterate my point again, the early death of any human is tragic. If a young Nazi died, I would be mournful that a young man or woman was so misguided and died before finding the path out of brainwashing and to a less hateful life.
Those are eloquent words and I'd love to find common ground with you. The problem you have is that the horrible Nazis you are warning me against are behaving like model citizens, while the sympathetic BLM activists are behaving like Nazi fascists.
That whole "it isn't everyone in the group thing" which never applies to groups on the right and the part about agreeing with the BLM cause while they engage in fascist violence... geez ... you can't think like that ... i know i know i know, i'm screaming hypocrisy into the wind. You can't see it. Never mind.
Just try to judge both groups by your Nazi fascism standard. The rule of law comes first. What we wish would happen comes second. If you do that we'll find common ground.
There is no need to find common ground with white supremacists.
DiscoGary wrote: If you do that we'll find common ground.
Andrew Anglin, the editor of the Daily Stormer about Heather Heyer who was murdered by a white terrorist, called her:
- a drain on society
- fat, childless, 32-year-old slut
- she has no value
AND
“Had she not died yesterday, hundreds of thousands of dollars would have been spent on propping-up this gross creature who had failed to do her most basic duty – her only real duty, in fact – and reproduce,†Anglin wrote. “Having no children at that age, it can be assumed that she had multiple abortions.â€
DiscoGary wrote:
That's all you got for KKK and Nazi violence for the last 10 years? Where's the epidemic of violence, threats, burnings, and looting we've seen from the left? Where do we see them showing up at liberal events beating up people and trying to shut down their free speech? Nothing.
You didn't say show me all the violence the KKK had inflicted. You said show me any evidence of violence. It took a whole 2 seconds of googling to find some. I'm not sure why you are comparing the KKK to the left. One is a extremist hate organization and the other is a political division of society.
DiscoGary wrote:
You know what? I'm not afraid of these Nazi KKK guys because it seems like they'll leave you alone if you don't try to beat them up. In fact, compared Antifa, BLM, and Occupy, these Nazis are model citizens!
At least the with the Nazis and KKK I can disagree with them without getting beaten up. Can't say that about your left wing activists.
Perhaps, because you are a white male and a potential recruit.
However, if you were black, Jewish, Muslim, etc..., you'd get the crap beaten out of you.
DiscoGary wrote:
Just try to judge both groups by your Nazi fascism standard. The rule of law comes first. What we wish would happen comes second. If you do that we'll find common ground.
Much of the systematic persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany was strictly legal under the 1935 Nuremberg Race Laws and subsequent legislation.
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:But one of them ran over people with a car. And he wasn't even being attacked.
And they have killed hundreds and maybe thousands of people in the past. These people celebrate their legacy of hatred and violence. They are proud of the lynchings and the bombings and all of their glorious terrorist activities.
We don't need to play what-if games. We can talk about who they actually are and what they have actually done.
Do you have any evidence that the Unite the Right people have been engaged in violence, or are you simply blaming them for historical crimes?
We also don't need to play "who are they" games. Anyone marching and chanting with the KKK and the neo-Nazis has self-identified with their hate and their violence. Nobody was marching with them without knowing who they are and what they stand for.
They all support the lynchings and the bombings and the guy who ran over that young lady. These are not groups that denounce violence. Instead, they glorify their violent past as a sacred cause.
KKK HERO!!!! wrote:
Given a free-pass by Trump, the end result is:
KKK Grand Dragon Says He's 'Glad That Girl Died' During Charlottesville Rally
"I think there will be more violence like this in the future to come.â€
“I’m sorta glad that them people got hit and I’m glad that girl died,†Justin Moore told CBS.
Chris Barker, the imperial wizard of the KKK said, “When a couple of them die, it doesn’t bother us.â€
People who call the Loyal White Knights of the KKK headquarters hear a recorded message praising Fields [the terrorist driver] for “running over nine communist anti-fascists,†according to WBTV.
“White people are getting fed up with the double standard set up in America today by the controlled press,†Moore said. “So I think there will be more violence like this in the future to come.â€
Wow. This sounds very familiar. It's just like when we hear an ISIS leader praising a terrorist act by one of their followers.
DiscoGary wrote:
foo wrote:http://www.essence.com/culture/horrific-kkk-crimesThis is all they had for the last 10 years:
10. Murder of Jason Smith - Eros, Louisiana, 2011
Jason Smith was a 14-year-old Black student from Louisiana who was found dead in a local lake with his organs missing. Although his death was ruled an "accidental drowning," his father and family maintain that the killing was the doing of local KKK members.
11. Jewish Community Center Murders - Overland Park, Kansas 2014
Former KKK leader Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. murdered three people after opening fire at a local Jewish community center.
12. Stabbing Of Anti-KKK Protesters At Klan Rally - Anaheim, California 2016
Three people were stabbed by members and supporters of the KKK while protesting against their rally in California.
#10, They don't have any proof who did it. What is that doing on this list?
#11, Why is he listed as "former" KKK? That doesn't sound like a formally planned KKK hit. It sounds like a rogue KKK loser killed people on his own. You get half credit for that one.
#12, Anti-KKK protesters stabbed!? Gee, I wonder what those anti-KKK protesters were doing to get stabbed? Beating people up? I'm putting that one under "self defense".
That's all you got for KKK and Nazi violence for the last 10 years? Where's the epidemic of violence, threats, burnings, and looting we've seen from the left? Where do we see them showing up at liberal events beating up people and trying to shut down their free speech? Nothing.
You know what? I'm not afraid of these Nazi KKK guys because it seems like they'll leave you alone if you don't try to beat them up. In fact, compared Antifa, BLM, and Occupy, these Nazis are model citizens!
At least the with the Nazis and KKK I can disagree with them without getting beaten up. Can't say that about your left wing activists.
You've gone from defending the KKK's right to free speech to defending the KKK itself. If you truly disapproved of the KKK, you wouldn't be defending them.
foo wrote:
You've gone from defending the KKK's right to free speech to defending the KKK itself. If you truly disapproved of the KKK, you wouldn't be defending them.
That is because Trump defended them, so Gary must follow Trump's lead. Loyal sheep have no other choice.
The dictionary provides the meaning of a word. I used the generally accepted meaning of the word "terrorist". The dictionary is not a liberal plot.If you think an ordinary arrest by police constitutes "unlawful violence and intimidation" then you are so paranoid it's no wonder you don't trust the dictionary.
itsbaddude wrote:
I also can go a quote the dictionary. That definition lacks context and words are very imprecise. With that definition you can argue that police are terrorists when they arrest people. You can argue that Obama was a terrorist when he bombed Libya and Syria and killed civilians.
You are changing the meaning of the word as it is currently used because you don't like the way it is used. The leftist have a hard time calling anyone a terrorist before until now. Now it is convenient to use the term against Trump since he was calling out the MSM for not calling out terrorists.
All these arguments from the left are absurd and seem highly organized and collusive.
You guys have to stop arguing like little kids.
Fat hurts wrote:Google the word "terrorist" and you will see that I have used it correctly:
ter·ror·ist
ˈterərəst/
noun
noun: terrorist; plural noun: terrorists
1. a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
synonyms: extremist, fanatic; More
I can't believe this conversation is still continuing. Of course it was an act of terrorism. Fat Hurts provided the standard definition of the terrorism and it fits precisely. End of discussion.
The Trump Defense wrote:
foo wrote:You've gone from defending the KKK's right to free speech to defending the KKK itself. If you truly disapproved of the KKK, you wouldn't be defending them.
That is because Trump defended them, so Gary must follow Trump's lead. Loyal sheep have no other choice.
Nope. I've gone from defending free speech to attacking the left wing lynch mob mentality which declared the Nazis and KKK guilty of nothing more than thought crimes. I say left wing activists are behaving more like Nazi fascism than the American Nazi Party, and the evidence supports my position.
This puts you liberals in the position of defending Nazi fascist behavior, and you are doing it.
I am saying you are Orwellian fascists. Defend yourselves.
foo wrote:
I can't believe this conversation is still continuing. Of course it was an act of terrorism. Fat Hurts provided the standard definition of the terrorism and it fits precisely. End of discussion.
We still don't know if it was intentional. It was certainly wrong and he should be tried for murder, but the accusation of terrorism is not confirmed. Try not to join the lynch mob.