This reminds me of when they tore down Saddam Hussein's statue
Can't they leave monuments of these heroes alone?
This reminds me of when they tore down Saddam Hussein's statue
Can't they leave monuments of these heroes alone?
Fat hurts wrote:
But the KKK and the neo-Nazis were committing violent acts of terrorism long before Antifa ever existed.
Antifa = Anti-fascists = polar opposite of White Supremacy
If White Supremacy dies then Antifa will die. Very simple.
Franken Berry wrote:
Count Chocula wrote:I don't know man, I just want to see these statues come down because they are honoring a bunch of war losers. Pathetic!
Those statues that were removed in Baltimore were put up in 1903. The governor of Maryland at the time was a democrat. Just sayin'
What difference does that make? You don't see statues of King George III, or Santa Anna, or Erwin Rommel around here.
DiscoGary wrote:
But I'm not OK with your Taliban-style of cultural cleansing, where every set of elected officials attempts to rewrite history so that their predecessors vanish from the collective memory. What an outrageous way to govern a society! It shows a weakness of mind and an intolerance for differing ideas that set a dangerous precedent for other forms of censorship and intolerance in society.
So anyone who decides to remove a statue from a public square is practicing Taliban-style cleansing?
Our brave American soldiers who helped to tear down statues of Saddam Hussein were just like the Taliban?
The Germans who removed Nazi statues a generation after the war are also just like the Taliban?
We should not celebrate the bad guys of history by keeping confederate statues in public parks and squares. Instead, a historical statue should be put into its proper historic and artistic context. We should appreciate history and appreciate art. But we must not glorify evil.
Fat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:This isn't a "vibe". I'm outright saying the the Antifa are the SOLE cause of the violence at this rally, period. They went to a legal rally with the explicit intent to violently deprive people of their right to free speech. This was a criminal act that should be condemned by every decent person in the country. If the left-wing would stop beating up on people, rioting, shooting cops, tearing down monuments, breaking windows, burning buildings, destroying cop cars, and looting stores, then the overall level of political violence in this country would drop to almost zero.
Why are there no Democrat politicians calling for this? Has every single Democrat been fooled by the Big Lie?
I will gladly make the call that Antifa needs to go away.
But the KKK and the neo-Nazis were committing violent acts of terrorism long before Antifa ever existed. The KKK and neo-Nazis are organizations that support and commit acts of violence that far surpass anything Antifa has ever done.
That said, I will indeed defend their right to march and protest peacefully. Every Democrat I've heard from believes this too.
I said this yesterday and will repeat again. The next time any hate group plans a protest and files the legal permits, etc. I expect the police to physically separate the opposing group(s) behind a barrier of some kind and to enforce the permits. This is where the cops, mayor, and governor failed to do in Charlottesville. I would not be surprised if the dead woman's family sues the city of Charlottesville.
Foo fighter wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:I will gladly make the call that Antifa needs to go away.
But the KKK and the neo-Nazis were committing violent acts of terrorism long before Antifa ever existed. The KKK and neo-Nazis are organizations that support and commit acts of violence that far surpass anything Antifa has ever done.
That said, I will indeed defend their right to march and protest peacefully. Every Democrat I've heard from believes this too.
I said this yesterday and will repeat again. The next time any hate group plans a protest and files the legal permits, etc. I expect the police to physically separate the opposing group(s) behind a barrier of some kind and to enforce the permits. This is where the cops, mayor, and governor failed to do in Charlottesville. I would not be surprised if the dead woman's family sues the city of Charlottesville.
I totally agree. Next time, I wouldn't be surprised to see heavily armed police outnumber the protesters by 2 to 1.
Truthfully if MLK started a war with the United States and started that war with the purpose of maintaining the evil practice of slavery than he should not have a statute honoring him.I would use the same criterion for Washington and jefferson. Let's just say anyone who attacks and was at war with the United States resulting in thousands of deaths should not have a statute erected in the United States honoring them. That is pretty obvious. President Trump doesn't get it.
DiscoGary wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:The people decide through their elected representatives.
But if YOU were elected and it was your decision then please tell us which ones come down, why they should come down, and what will be gained by tearing them down?
What if the elected Republicans started tearing down MLK monuments all over the country because they claimed he was a communist? You would be OK with that right? Well you just said you would be and since you claim to have intellectual integrity, then I will believe you.
But I'm not OK with your Taliban-style of cultural cleansing, where every set of elected officials attempts to rewrite history so that their predecessors vanish from the collective memory. What an outrageous way to govern a society! It shows a weakness of mind and an intolerance for differing ideas that set a dangerous precedent for other forms of censorship and intolerance in society.
Fat hurts wrote:
We should not celebrate the bad guys of history by keeping confederate statues in public parks and squares. Instead, a historical statue should be put into its proper historic and artistic context. We should appreciate history and appreciate art. But we must not glorify evil.
By the way, the proper context for this kind of statue is typically a museum of history or art.
The Lee statue in particular is a fantastic example of equestrian statuary. It should be appreciated as such.
Gosh this country is getting more wigged out as time goes on. Still can't handle that Trump is President and the Left manufactures controversies. It was clear that the protesters had a permit, and those anti-protesters had their own agenda. Like that Google employee if you have a non-Liberal view of the world you become scorned regardless. Where is the free country anymore?
insanity rules wrote:
Where is the free country anymore?
^ Diehard Trumpkin = White supremacist who insists on shoving their 'white only' country down everyone's throat.
I don't disagree with your post. Even hate groups have a right to demonstrate without interference and police should be ready to defend their right. That's what being an American is all about. Many of the antiprotestors acted illegally.But there are many issues upon which to focus. Let's not ignore the huge issue of a large number of neo-nazis, KKK and white supremacists meeting to spread hate and evil. These warmongers were actually waving Nazis flags. This movement needs to be strongly condemned along with everything they stand for. Trump's words didn't convey this. His late begrudgingly given criticism was token.
Foo fighter wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:I will gladly make the call that Antifa needs to go away.
But the KKK and the neo-Nazis were committing violent acts of terrorism long before Antifa ever existed. The KKK and neo-Nazis are organizations that support and commit acts of violence that far surpass anything Antifa has ever done.
That said, I will indeed defend their right to march and protest peacefully. Every Democrat I've heard from believes this too.
I said this yesterday and will repeat again. The next time any hate group plans a protest and files the legal permits, etc. I expect the police to physically separate the opposing group(s) behind a barrier of some kind and to enforce the permits. This is where the cops, mayor, and governor failed to do in Charlottesville. I would not be surprised if the dead woman's family sues the city of Charlottesville.
wigged out wrote:
insanity rules wrote:Where is the free country anymore?
^ Diehard Trumpkin = White supremacist who insists on shoving their 'white only' country down everyone's throat.
You think you have some higher moral ground. You probably have never done anything in your life to better Blacks or other minorities. You have a guilt complex in your head.
Observations independent wrote:
I don't disagree with your post. Even hate groups have a right to demonstrate without interference and police should be ready to defend their right. That's what being an American is all about. Many of the antiprotestors acted illegally.
explain why the white supremacist marchers were carrying guns and weapons, and why they had the right attacks people with those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdlwflV8_m0Wasn't it just yesterday that Trump said for every CEO that quits his advisory boards, there are many more in line to fill the empty spot? The winning continues....
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/16/news/trump-manufacturing-council-ceos/index.html?adkey=bn
Foo fighter wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:I will gladly make the call that Antifa needs to go away.
But the KKK and the neo-Nazis were committing violent acts of terrorism long before Antifa ever existed. The KKK and neo-Nazis are organizations that support and commit acts of violence that far surpass anything Antifa has ever done.
That said, I will indeed defend their right to march and protest peacefully. Every Democrat I've heard from believes this too.
I said this yesterday and will repeat again. The next time any hate group plans a protest and files the legal permits, etc. I expect the police to physically separate the opposing group(s) behind a barrier of some kind and to enforce the permits. This is where the cops, mayor, and governor failed to do in Charlottesville. I would not be surprised if the dead woman's family sues the city of Charlottesville.
Exactly
foo wrote:
Wasn't it just yesterday that Trump said for every CEO that quits his advisory boards, there are many more in line to fill the empty spot? The winning continues....
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/16/news/trump-manufacturing-council-ceos/index.html?adkey=bn
And today Trump disbanded the two councils. By the way, those councils never met.
Had there ever a president who has been wrong as much as trump.
foo wrote:
Wasn't it just yesterday that Trump said for every CEO that quits his advisory boards, there are many more in line to fill the empty spot? The winning continues....
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/16/news/trump-manufacturing-council-ceos/index.html?adkey=bn
This is how you deal with Nazis in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCw7RJ5eE8
I hate Virginia Nazis or Illinois Nazis or any of them marching here
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
XY wrote:And you support Trump, does that make you a racist?
You assume I'm a lily white Anglo Saxon. Nope, far from it. As stated long ago, I'm a latino/minority. (Go to the presidential candidate thread for the mentions). I don't advocate racism or violence from any group left or right. However, I see libs here ignore the violence that BLM or Antifa has done. When BLM kills cops, I see all the cop haters on LRC come out of the woodwork. When Antifa flips over cars, sets fires fires and breaks windows at Trump rallies, the libs pivot to another subject. You libs never own up to when your side does wrong. You end up blaming the blame on the conservative right, it never fails and your fake news media piles on.
The fact remains, liberal stupid exists.
No one said anything about your race, I could care less that you're a latino. Most latinos that I know voted for Trump anyhow. But you are not able to see that your hero is pandering to a side for support and votes. Again I don't think he's a racist, and yes you can not be racist and still cater to racists. If you cant understand that too bad.
XY wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:You assume I'm a lily white Anglo Saxon. Nope, far from it. As stated long ago, I'm a latino/minority. (Go to the presidential candidate thread for the mentions). I don't advocate racism or violence from any group left or right. However, I see libs here ignore the violence that BLM or Antifa has done. When BLM kills cops, I see all the cop haters on LRC come out of the woodwork. When Antifa flips over cars, sets fires fires and breaks windows at Trump rallies, the libs pivot to another subject. You libs never own up to when your side does wrong. You end up blaming the blame on the conservative right, it never fails and your fake news media piles on.
The fact remains, liberal stupid exists.
No one said anything about your race, I could care less that you're a latino. Most latinos that I know voted for Trump anyhow. But you are not able to see that your hero is pandering to a side for support and votes. Again I don't think he's a racist, and yes you can not be racist and still cater to racists. If you cant understand that too bad.
Your hero, Barry pandered and catered to BLM. Btw, the correct term is couldn't care less.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.