Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

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Trollminator wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Trollminator wrote:
Not that this will prevent a new SCJ from being installed before trump leaves office, but Dems should at least fire the warning shot now. If Mitch follows through with his hypocrisy and Dems take the Senate and WH they should expand the SC and change the rules in 2021, as it will be within their constitutional right to do so. There will never be enough votes to get rid of the EC but they can at least change the SC. But they will probably continue playing mr nice guy and let the GOP keep raping the US.

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Expanding the court is a never ending cluster situation. As soon as the Rs can...they would counter the D expansion with their own expansion. Then the Ds would counter the Rs with yet another expansion.
It’s a self destructive exercise and I think the Dems are too patriotic to start that cycle.

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It doesn’t matter anymore when the chunk of the electorate that cares about honesty, patriotism and law doesn’t have a voice and fair representation. The rest supporting trump sure don’t give a flying fk. What good is patriotism if there is no country left agip? The GOP keeps pushing the boundaries, the base keeps going along with it, and the Dems keep letting the game change and fkng the country in the process. When are they going to take out their fkn knives and start to use the same tricks? If they have a Constitutional tool to use to try to get some balance back they need to do it. Im tired of seeing them take it in the a$$, cry to the public and go back to not doing a fkn thing about it. I also don’t want to have to see extreme liberals get nominated in the near future only to lose bigly in the general election. Dems have been extremely disappointing in the ring. This is no longer a fight for single term issues, trump and GOP are destroying the fabric of democracy here. Do you want 30-40 fkn years of conservative rulings that go against what a majority of Americans desire??? With that kind of power the electorate becomes meaningless. Wake the fk up people.

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Trollminator wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Trollminator wrote:
Not that this will prevent a new SCJ from being installed before trump leaves office, but Dems should at least fire the warning shot now. If Mitch follows through with his hypocrisy and Dems take the Senate and WH they should expand the SC and change the rules in 2021, as it will be within their constitutional right to do so. There will never be enough votes to get rid of the EC but they can at least change the SC. But they will probably continue playing mr nice guy and let the GOP keep raping the US.

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Expanding the court is a never ending cluster situation. As soon as the Rs can...they would counter the D expansion with their own expansion. Then the Ds would counter the Rs with yet another expansion.
It’s a self destructive exercise and I think the Dems are too patriotic to start that cycle.

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It doesn’t matter anymore when the chunk of the electorate that cares about honesty, patriotism and law doesn’t have a voice and fair representation. The rest supporting trump sure don’t give a flying fk. What good is patriotism if there is no country left agip? The GOP keeps pushing the boundaries, the base keeps going along with it, and the Dems keep letting the game change and fkng the country in the process. When are they going to take out their fkn knives and start to use the same tricks? If they have a Constitutional tool to use to try to get some balance back they need to do it. Im tired of seeing them take it in the a$$, cry to the public and go back to not doing a fkn thing about it. I also don’t want to have to see extreme liberals get nominated in the near future only to lose bigly in the general election. Dems have been extremely disappointing in the ring. This is no longer a fight for single term issues, trump and GOP are destroying the fabric of democracy here. Do you want 30-40 fkn years of conservative rulings that go against what a majority of Americans desire??? With that kind of power the electorate becomes meaningless. Wake the fk up people.

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I think they kick off the nomination process ASAP, Mitch lets the few at risk senators abstain to try to save themselves, Pence breaks the tie and it’s a done deal, probably by Election Day. Sayonara to our democracy.

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Trollminator wrote:
I think they kick off the nomination process ASAP, Mitch lets the few at risk senators abstain to try to save themselves, Pence breaks the tie and it’s a done deal, probably by Election Day. Sayonara to our democracy.

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All Knight wrote:

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kibitzer wrote:

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All Knight wrote:
Bottom line is: Trump cannot run for president as a felon.

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Sorry, this is absolutely incorrect. He might not be able to *vote* for himself (in some states), but there is absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution that prevents a convicted felon from running, being elected, and serving.

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He will BE INCARCERATED. He will BE IN JAIL. He will be LOCKED UP. He cannot get on the Florida ballot while he IS IN JAIL. He cannot vote while he is LOCKED UP. He cannot assume office, or get out of jail via an election. Meaning he CANNOT SERVE.

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I need to go for a run.

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kibitzer wrote:

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All Knight wrote:

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kibitzer wrote:

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All Knight wrote:
Bottom line is: Trump cannot run for president as a felon.

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Sorry, this is absolutely incorrect. He might not be able to *vote* for himself (in some states), but there is absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution that prevents a convicted felon from running, being elected, and serving.

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He will BE INCARCERATED. He will BE IN JAIL. He will be LOCKED UP. He cannot get on the Florida ballot while he IS IN JAIL. He cannot vote while he is LOCKED UP. He cannot assume office, or get out of jail via an election. Meaning he CANNOT SERVE.

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Okay, let's simmer down and sort this out.

1) First you said that "Trump *cannot* run for president as a felon." [Emphasis mine.]
That statement was shown to be incorrect because there is no Constitutional objection. You apparently concede that point.

2) Then you shifted and said an incarcerated felon "CANNOT SERVE." [Emphasis yours.]
Again, there is nothing to keep him from serving. A POTUS is not required to be domiciled in the White House. He would serve *badly* of course: Bills to be signed would have to be brought to him on visiting day, and he'd even have to be inaugurated in the Big House; but he could serve. (And shoot, Trump is serving pretty badly now, if we're honest.)

3) But if by "CANNOT" you mean that it would be impossible as a practicality--that in the real world an incarcerated felon could never run successfully, be elected, and serve--I agree with you 100%. The Constitution would be okay with it, but it would never happen.

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agip wrote:

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Trollminator wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Trollminator wrote:
Not that this will prevent a new SCJ from being installed before trump leaves office, but Dems should at least fire the warning shot now. If Mitch follows through with his hypocrisy and Dems take the Senate and WH they should expand the SC and change the rules in 2021, as it will be within their constitutional right to do so. There will never be enough votes to get rid of the EC but they can at least change the SC. But they will probably continue playing mr nice guy and let the GOP keep raping the US.

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Expanding the court is a never ending cluster situation. As soon as the Rs can...they would counter the D expansion with their own expansion. Then the Ds would counter the Rs with yet another expansion.
It’s a self destructive exercise and I think the Dems are too patriotic to start that cycle.

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It doesn’t matter anymore when the chunk of the electorate that cares about honesty, patriotism and law doesn’t have a voice and fair representation. The rest supporting trump sure don’t give a flying fk. What good is patriotism if there is no country left agip? The GOP keeps pushing the boundaries, the base keeps going along with it, and the Dems keep letting the game change and fkng the country in the process. When are they going to take out their fkn knives and start to use the same tricks? If they have a Constitutional tool to use to try to get some balance back they need to do it. Im tired of seeing them take it in the a$$, cry to the public and go back to not doing a fkn thing about it. I also don’t want to have to see extreme liberals get nominated in the near future only to lose bigly in the general election. Dems have been extremely disappointing in the ring. This is no longer a fight for single term issues, trump and GOP are destroying the fabric of democracy here. Do you want 30-40 fkn years of conservative rulings that go against what a majority of Americans desire??? With that kind of power the electorate becomes meaningless. Wake the fk up people.

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Do you want to start a round of never-ending court packing?
Seriously - is that what you think is in the best interest of the United States?
I feel you pain, I really do, but changing the rules when you are in power is a serious step to authoritarianism. Parties won't peacefully leave power if they know the next party in will change the rules. It ends at the point of a gun.

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When Republicans say they were elected to do things like fill SC seats they are right.
But it’s really hard to have confirmation hearings and hold a vote in October when they want to be out campaigning. And that optic hurts their campaigns.
The Kavanaugh hearings were in early September and the voting was complete in early October. This vote would be close to Nov 3.

If they lose the election it would be hard to claim the will of people want them to pick the Justice and there would be a clear ethics issue.
But we know McConnell doesn’t care about that.

Lindsey Graham is an unethical flip flopper, so I don’t care what word he gave about not doing this in an election year.

Some Republicans will say don’t want a vote held this year, but they don’t control that. McConnell does.
If they have a nominee in front of them that they like, they will vote yes.
I think Romney would rationalize it if he agreed with Trump’s pick.
Flake voted in favor of the Kavanaugh investigation and still voted yes on his final vote. And he hated Trump.

Republicans know they are underdogs in this election.
So filling spot before Jan is important to them.

(another long read, sorry)

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Trollminator wrote:

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15_50 wrote:

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TTH wrote:

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15_50 wrote:

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TTH wrote:

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15_50 wrote:
RIP RBG.

A great human being who was a wonderful supreme court justice and was tough as they come.

My prediction ... I expect Mitch will be compelled to change his mind. I expect the republicans will look at this as an opportunity to get their base out to vote to keep trump in office. this will be their rallying cry. It may just save trump.

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It can work the other way as well.

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I'd love it to work the other way but my guess is if they vote prior to the election the dems will be more motivated to get trump out of office... and trump fans will be less motivated... like I said, i'd be surprised if they hold a vote prior to the election.

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What I mean is that Trump can use a new appointment possibility to re-elect him but the Dems can use the same to motivate the Democrats to get to the polls and there are more Dems than Reps.

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I understand what you are saying. I just think dems will be even more angry and more likely to vote if they vote prior to the election. your thought is certainly a possibility though.

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The main short term political consideration is the impact on the Senate. Mitch will urge trump to keep his mouth shut until after Nov 3, when GOP senators no longer have to worry about losing their seats. He will then have the votes he needs and there will be a new conservative judge on the SC. No amount of political theater from Dems is going to prevent the seat from being filled. The only effective weapon Dems had was the Senate filibuster and that was gutted by the GOP in 2017.

The only way a nomination doesn’t happen is through self-made clusterfks within the GOP, motivated by conflicting personal interests of course. Trump for example may fight with Mitch and try to start the nomination process right away thinking it will boost his chances of winning. That may actually ensure Trump loses by lighting an even bigger fire under the Dem base. It might even deliver a Dem senate majority. But of course, if you’re a GOP leader thinking strategically, you jam through the nominee at all costs as a SC seat is much more valuable in the long run than a temporary WH term and period of senate majority.

Please give up any hope that there won’t be a confirmation before trump is gone. It is very silly to think it won’t happen.

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Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Love seeing the libs meltdown over the SCOTUS vacancy. If they decide to riot over this, Dementia Joe will get destroyed on election night. I hope Mitch McConnell rams this through, just like Botox Pelosi rammed the impeachment. Karma is b!tch.

https://twitter.com/ARSquared/status/849302197867302914

Thanks, Harry!

#Trumplandslide
"Four more years!"
KAG2020

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Dan Kahneman wrote:

This is a test to see exactly the level of unabashed hypocrisy of Mitch and his band of Republican sycophants. And a test of the American voter to see their level of tolerance for lying without shame.

Sounds like Mitch is saying f-you to America and to any sense of fairness and decency. This will further hurt Trump as it should.

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kibitzer wrote:

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All Knight wrote:

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kibitzer wrote:
[quote]All Knight wrote:
Bottom line is: Trump cannot run for president as a felon.

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Sorry, this is absolutely incorrect. He might not be able to *vote* for himself (in some states), but there is absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution that prevents a convicted felon from running, being elected, and serving.

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He will BE INCARCERATED. He will BE IN JAIL. He will be LOCKED UP. He cannot get on the Florida ballot while he IS IN JAIL. He cannot vote while he is LOCKED UP. He cannot assume office, or get out of jail via an election. Meaning he CANNOT SERVE.

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Trollminator wrote:
I think they kick off the nomination process ASAP, Mitch lets the few at risk senators abstain to try to save themselves, Pence breaks the tie and it’s a done deal, probably by Election Day. Sayonara to our democracy.

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agip wrote:

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Trollminator wrote:

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agip wrote:

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Trollminator wrote:
Not that this will prevent a new SCJ from being installed before trump leaves office, but Dems should at least fire the warning shot now. If Mitch follows through with his hypocrisy and Dems take the Senate and WH they should expand the SC and change the rules in 2021, as it will be within their constitutional right to do so. There will never be enough votes to get rid of the EC but they can at least change the SC. But they will probably continue playing mr nice guy and let the GOP keep raping the US.

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Expanding the court is a never ending cluster situation. As soon as the Rs can...they would counter the D expansion with their own expansion. Then the Ds would counter the Rs with yet another expansion.
It’s a self destructive exercise and I think the Dems are too patriotic to start that cycle.

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It doesn’t matter anymore when the chunk of the electorate that cares about honesty, patriotism and law doesn’t have a voice and fair representation. The rest supporting trump sure don’t give a flying fk. What good is patriotism if there is no country left agip? The GOP keeps pushing the boundaries, the base keeps going along with it, and the Dems keep letting the game change and fkng the country in the process. When are they going to take out their fkn knives and start to use the same tricks? If they have a Constitutional tool to use to try to get some balance back they need to do it. Im tired of seeing them take it in the a$$, cry to the public and go back to not doing a fkn thing about it. I also don’t want to have to see extreme liberals get nominated in the near future only to lose bigly in the general election. Dems have been extremely disappointing in the ring. This is no longer a fight for single term issues, trump and GOP are destroying the fabric of democracy here. Do you want 30-40 fkn years of conservative rulings that go against what a majority of Americans desire??? With that kind of power the electorate becomes meaningless. Wake the fk up people.

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Do you want to start a round of never-ending court packing?
Seriously - is that what you think is in the best interest of the United States?
I feel you pain, I really do, but changing the rules when you are in power is a serious step to authoritarianism. Parties won't peacefully leave power if they know the next party in will change the rules. It ends at the point of a gun.

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this is it wrote:

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Trollminator wrote:
I think they kick off the nomination process ASAP, Mitch lets the few at risk senators abstain to try to save themselves, Pence breaks the tie and it’s a done deal, probably by Election Day. Sayonara to our democracy.

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Actually if the president nominates a justice and the senate votes to confirm that's not "Sayonara to our democracy", it's exactly how the process is supposed to work. What Mitch did to Merrick Garland on the other hand was wrong.

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Trollminator wrote:

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agip wrote:
Do you want to start a round of never-ending court packing?
Seriously - is that what you think is in the best interest of the United States?
... changing the rules when you are in power is a serious step to authoritarianism.

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Changing the rules? We are way beyond that my man

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