Rigged for Hillary wrote:
agip, you know what happens when an echo chamber member strays from the echo chamber mob/party line. I support your independent stance here.
LOL - you'd be asking for Obama's head if this was reported to have happened under his watch.
agip wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
There are a few implications here:
1. If it turns out he kept intel unactioned or disregarded advice then of course it solidifies the view that he caters to putin at the expense of our troops
2. If there were viable actions to go along with this intel that would have prevented the loss of lives then he has some responsibility.
well I'm assuming the IC didn't hand Trump the info and then sit on it forever more, not sending it down the chain of command. I'm assuming the IC told the people in the field who needed to know. And that they did something. You know, trained generals, not moran TV show hosts.
I mean if Trump quashed efforts to keep US troops safe, then sure, that's treason. But is anyone accusing him of that?
Remember that a president gets thousands of really nasty bits of intel.
Let's pretend they brought him options with that intel and warned him that if he didn't make a decision american lives would be lost. If he refused to make a decision/sat on it and troops perished, do you consider that treason? To me this is a bit like omission of truth vs lying... the end result can be the same. Of course, absolutely nothing will come of this but again it's just another example his true allegiance to add to the pile.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Smorbun wrote:
How can you be that stupid to believe that? Oh, I forgot, you are Biff, the dumbest person by far that I have ever encountered.
Biden wins if he is breathing.
Enjoy your loss & thanks for playing.
Sourpole, your far left Antifa & BLM rioters have hijacked the Dem party. Wait until the debates when America sees just how much Dementia Joe has cognitively declined. This will end badly for you.
Enjoy your loss.
Enjoy your permanent self ban & thanks for playing.
You are a moron, Biff. What debate(s)? 50-50 if there will be any debates at all, and if there are it will likely be just one. Trump can't handle being on a stage with someone else who is getting the same attention. He can't handle taking questions from a neutral, non a$$-licking source.
RCP now has Trump's approval at 41.2%. Biden is leading in the polls in these states: PA, OH, FL, MI, MN, WI, NC, NV, AZ, VA, NH, and he is close in IA and TX.
What happened to the betting sites you said knew all? Oh, they all say Biden wins now?
What happened to the big crowds showing enthusiasm that predicted a win? Oh, Oklahoma was a huge dud for your moron President?
Norpoth? The last time his site was updated, Sanders was still a candidate, and you still don't get why his primary model isn't accurate when you have a sitting President. Let's also remember that the GOP didn't really allow Trump to have any opponents in his primaries.
You are a fool. I actually can't believe you still continue to post here, and I can not believe how stupid you are. At least Sally has the sense to know he needs to go find a site where people talk about their love of shiny things. You should go join him, you absolute moron.
Biden wins if he is breathing.
Enjoy your loss & thanks for playing.
agip wrote:
L L wrote:
You're saying Trump has made the bar so low that his actions have to be more egregious to be called out on them.
The Russian bounties would be major headlines under any other president.
He needs to be called out the same way any other president would be.
This thing is way worse than Benghazi and Hillary was subject to many investigations and testimony from that.
tell me exactly what Trump should have done.
Agreed, inviting russia to the G7 was bad.
Other than that.
You tell me exactly what Trump should have done after hearing this in a briefing.
You want him announcing it to the world, given his lack of diplomatic talent? or do you want actual military people dealing with it?
Russia putting bounties on american soldiers is NOT small potatoes. What should he have done? Some consequence that makes it less likely Russia would do something like that again and to let Putin know we are not OK with that. The very least, public condemnation.
Trump did nothing because the incidence made Trump look bad. Again its Trump over country, no surprise.
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1277674196756123648?s=201100 wrote:
"Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation." - US Navy Admiral, William McRaven
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
well I'm assuming the IC didn't hand Trump the info and then sit on it forever more, not sending it down the chain of command. I'm assuming the IC told the people in the field who needed to know. And that they did something. You know, trained generals, not moran TV show hosts.
I mean if Trump quashed efforts to keep US troops safe, then sure, that's treason. But is anyone accusing him of that?
Remember that a president gets thousands of really nasty bits of intel.
Let's pretend they brought him options with that intel and warned him that if he didn't make a decision american lives would be lost. If he refused to make a decision/sat on it and troops perished, do you consider that treason? To me this is a bit like omission of truth vs lying... the end result can be the same. Of course, absolutely nothing will come of this but again it's just another example his true allegiance to add to the pile.
I'm assuming the armed forces took steps to protect US troops. I'm assuming the chain of command doesn't rely on Trump to micromanage that kind of thing. If a general knew about the bounty but didn't do anything to protect his troops because he was waiting for orders from Trump should result in a court martial. I don't think that happens.
Trump's choice was whether to announce to the world or not. He decided not. And then (probably ) lie about the whole thing. I dunno. I don't see the horror here. But many conservatives do.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
https://trendingpolitics.com/poll-half-of-voters-in-22-swing-state-think-biden-is-not-mentally-and-physically-ready-to-be-president/#.XvoSiyGfWxQ.twitterThe debates are coming.
He can't hide forever.
"Come on, man!"
I had never heard of "trendingpolitics.com", so I Googled. Here is the first hit:
"Trending Politics is hyper-partisan conservative news and opinion website."
Good lock with that, you moron.
Smorbun wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
https://trendingpolitics.com/poll-half-of-voters-in-22-swing-state-think-biden-is-not-mentally-and-physically-ready-to-be-president/#.XvoSiyGfWxQ.twitterThe debates are coming.
He can't hide forever.
"Come on, man!"
I had never heard of "trendingpolitics.com", so I Googled. Here is the first hit:
"Trending Politics is hyper-partisan conservative news and opinion website."
Good lock with that, you moron.
And also, "Good luck with that, you moron."
Dan Kahneman wrote:
agip wrote:
tell me exactly what Trump should have done.
Agreed, inviting russia to the G7 was bad.
Other than that.
You tell me exactly what Trump should have done after hearing this in a briefing.
You want him announcing it to the world, given his lack of diplomatic talent? or do you want actual military people dealing with it?
Russia putting bounties on american soldiers is NOT small potatoes. What should he have done? Some consequence that makes it less likely Russia would do something like that again and to let Putin know we are not OK with that. The very least, public condemnation.
Trump did nothing because the incidence made Trump look bad. Again its Trump over country, no surprise.
the US president is bombarded with nasty stuff all the time. If he is constantly megaphoning them to the world, that's all he would do and people would stop listening to him.
So I can easily see this as a matter handed down the chain of command rather than have the C in C blow it up.
Diplomacy often depends on overlooking bad stuff.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
agip wrote:
I'm asking a question. No idea why people have to fire bazookas at me.
Ok, I can see the G'8' invite as a bad idea. Agreed.
I'm just not sure if the C in C should be spouting off at the mouth when the IC hands him information. Trump is a bull in a china shop - do you want him fighting Putin on twitter? I sure don't. I'd rather the info be disseminated in the field and officers take of it.
In the end the president gets a ton of really nasty information. It's not his job to preach on every bit of it. BUt sure, don't invite to the G7.
I see many people see this as worse than the Ukraine extortion. I sure don't. I'm just trying to get a sense of why the max outrage.
agip, you know what happens when an echo chamber member strays from the echo chamber mob/party line. I support your independent stance here.
Of course you would agree with agip on one of the rare times he is wrong. Why? Because you are a moron, and you have the wrong stance on everything at all times.
Smorbun wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Sourpole, your far left Antifa & BLM rioters have hijacked the Dem party. Wait until the debates when America sees just how much Dementia Joe has cognitively declined. This will end badly for you.
Enjoy your loss.
Enjoy your permanent self ban & thanks for playing.
You are a moron, Biff. What debate(s)? 50-50 if there will be any debates at all, and if there are it will likely be just one. Trump can't handle being on a stage with someone else who is getting the same attention. He can't handle taking questions from a neutral, non a$$-licking source.
RCP now has Trump's approval at 41.2%. Biden is leading in the polls in these states: PA, OH, FL, MI, MN, WI, NC, NV, AZ, VA, NH, and he is close in IA and TX.
What happened to the betting sites you said knew all? Oh, they all say Biden wins now?
What happened to the big crowds showing enthusiasm that predicted a win? Oh, Oklahoma was a huge dud for your moron President?
Norpoth? The last time his site was updated, Sanders was still a candidate, and you still don't get why his primary model isn't accurate when you have a sitting President. Let's also remember that the GOP didn't really allow Trump to have any opponents in his primaries.
You are a fool. I actually can't believe you still continue to post here, and I can not believe how stupid you are. At least Sally has the sense to know he needs to go find a site where people talk about their love of shiny things. You should go join him, you absolute moron.
Biden wins if he is breathing.
Enjoy your loss & thanks for playing.
You guys are idiots for believing this.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-defund-police/Trollminator wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
agip, you know what happens when an echo chamber member strays from the echo chamber mob/party line. I support your independent stance here.
LOL - you'd be asking for Obama's head if this was reported to have happened under his watch.
Exactly. And, he would be right to be mad at Obama if this happened under his watch. It didn't though, because Obama actually worked and read and learned, as opposed to Trump who doesn't which has led his staff to understand that he doesn't. This more than likely has kept them from giving him as much to digest as any other president.
This is bad. At a minimum it shows incompetence. That is being too nice. He is not upholding his oath to protect America.
agip wrote:
Dan Kahneman wrote:
Russia putting bounties on american soldiers is NOT small potatoes. What should he have done? Some consequence that makes it less likely Russia would do something like that again and to let Putin know we are not OK with that. The very least, public condemnation.
Trump did nothing because the incidence made Trump look bad. Again its Trump over country, no surprise.
the US president is bombarded with nasty stuff all the time. If he is constantly megaphoning them to the world, that's all he would do and people would stop listening to him.
So I can easily see this as a matter handed down the chain of command rather than have the C in C blow it up.
Diplomacy often depends on overlooking bad stuff.
If that is true Trump would have said so. He said he was never informed about it and now he's saying the intelligence is probably false, anyway.
Trump is mostly bombarded with cable news T.V.
Trollminator wrote:
And enter Matt and other minions to engage in their usual xenophobic fear mongering.
https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1277628850130780160?s=20
The homeowners had every right to defend their family & property. What the media doesn't want you to know is that the "peaceful protesters" who the couple confronted had just violently smashed through a locked gate to gain access to the private street they lived on.
There was property damage & criminal trespass.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbsuQbvXgAc75fH?format=png&name=smallRigged for Hillary wrote:
What the media doesn't want you to know is that the "peaceful protesters" who the couple confronted had just violently smashed through a locked gate to gain access to the private street they lived on.
They were so scared they were barefoot.....?
Trollminator wrote:
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1277674196756123648?s=201100 wrote:
"Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation." - US Navy Admiral, William McRaven
This happened under Barry's watch.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/13/19/3023D02200000578-0-image-a-51_1452712959490.jpghttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3397254/Pictured-Ten-U-S-sailors-captured-Iran-Revolutionary-Guard-RELEASES-snooping-row-naval-incursion.htmlSmorbun wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
https://trendingpolitics.com/poll-half-of-voters-in-22-swing-state-think-biden-is-not-mentally-and-physically-ready-to-be-president/#.XvoSiyGfWxQ.twitterThe debates are coming.
He can't hide forever.
"Come on, man!"
I had never heard of "trendingpolitics.com", so I Googled. Here is the first hit:
"Trending Politics is hyper-partisan conservative news and opinion website."
Good lock with that, you moron.
Ha! No different when your side posts from liberal sites, such as raw story.
Smorbun wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
agip, you know what happens when an echo chamber member strays from the echo chamber mob/party line. I support your independent stance here.
Of course you would agree with agip on one of the rare times he is wrong. Why? Because you are a moron, and you have the wrong stance on everything at all times.
You're gonna lose king of all Iibtards. You are far from being correct at all. Your past posts will bite you in the ass on election night.
Dementia Joe will NEVER be POTUS.
agip wrote:
I'm asking a question. No idea why people have to fire bazookas at me.
Ok, I can see the G'8' invite as a bad idea. Agreed.
I'm just not sure if the C in C should be spouting off at the mouth when the IC hands him information. Trump is a bull in a china shop - do you want him fighting Putin on twitter? I sure don't. I'd rather the info be disseminated in the field and officers take of it.
Field officers can not issue sanctions, particularly against a country which is ostensibly not a party in the conflict. They can't call up Putin and tell him to knock it off. They can't apply diplomatic pressure. Only a functional executive branch can do that.
The big deal is not that some piece of intelligence came down that affects the field command. They've already got a pretty good idea that more than a few militant Afghans are trying to kill their troops.
This isn't a tactical problem, it's a strategic problem calling for a strategic response and thus falls to the commander in chief.
In the end the president gets a ton of really nasty information. It's not his job to preach on every bit of it. BUt sure, don't invite to the G7.
I see many people see this as worse than the Ukraine extortion. I sure don't. I'm just trying to get a sense of why the max outrage.
From a purely political perspective, supporting the military is a cornerstone of the GOP and so it's a big deal to get caught out apparently not giving a crap. While that probably doesn't surprise you, it's not going to play well with the base.
38% of Likely Voters believe Biden has dementia.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/questions/pt_survey_questions/june_2020/questions_biden_dementia_june_25_and_28_2020https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebtdi_sXQAgqcK8?format=jpg&name=smallEnjoy your loss.
